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JesusSon ,
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If those dirty fucking workers had just worked harder they could have a Foo Fighters concert too.

EvilBit ,

Best I can do is a YouTube video with ads for dick pills.

variants ,

If those workers worked hard the execs could have had another concert after this one*

Lucidlethargy ,
@Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah I heard some of them had the gall to use the actual restroom on work hours. Like, get yourself a bigger bottle, and some better bootstraps! Amirite?

just_another_person ,

Don't give the Foo Fighters a pass for doing corporate gigs for these assholes either. They knew exactly what they were doing.

db2 ,

It's so disappointing.

alekwithak ,

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    foggy ,

    Easily the least rock and roll thing a rock star can do is take a big check to play a private show for a wealthy corporation lmao.

    🤘

    prettybunnys ,

    The difference between an artist and an entertainer

    applepie ,

    I remember seeing: Nick Cave is an artist.

    I think I finally got what that is supposed to mean.

    But is that statement even true lol

    Hadriscus ,

    You nailed it.

    techt ,

    What would be extremely rock and roll-- punk rock, even -- is donating all of the proceeds from that show to pro-union efforts.

    , or something

    LordGimp ,

    Blood money put to good use is still a karmic negative. Amazon dehumanizes people. Israel dehumanizes people. At some point the excuses aren't enough anymore.

    DarkDarkHouse ,
    @DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Maybe look at it this way: Foo Fighters effectively get Amazon to fund union activity by playing on stage for a couple of hours.

    Sweetpeaches69 ,

    Right? Dave has always been a very sneaky raging narcissist. I'm glad he's finally showing his true self.

    ripcord ,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Has he?

    Sweetpeaches69 ,

    Yes, he absolutly has. He's treated a couple friends of mine that work at a local amphitheater like shit. I've heard a lot about him otherwise, here and there. He just has a really good PR team.

    Lucidlethargy ,
    @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They were the best, the best, the best bootlickers.

    bulwark ,

    They should pour out a piss bottle for the warehouse employees who couldn't attend.

    bionicjoey ,

    https://preview.redd.it/y0ql394ghcp21.jpg?auto=webp&s=903f34ec2545ccec872242948e1ed72d63a6bce1

    puck ,

    Corporate musicians still suck

    TransplantedSconie ,
    @TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee avatar

    Fucking-A, Dave. At least Kurt never sold out.

    Mellow12 ,

    Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain. Kurt punched his card before it could happen to him too.

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    applepie ,

    I see. Easier with bootlicking champ... Why is u worshiping another man like this. Its uncouth

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    applepie ,

    Why is u mad tho

    Kongar ,

    Agree 100%

    I’m sure it was presented to the band like this “hey will you do a private show for a dump truck of money?” Of course the answer is yes. As if he has any way of knowing what’s going on inside a company, who’s specifically on the invite list - come on…. He’s a rock star - he plays shows for money, bitches, and blow. That’s all there is to it - he ain’t the villain here.

    Hadriscus ,

    Rock probably died that day

    frazorth ,

    It died a long time before that.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Seriously. This is as shitty as the Right boycotting Budlight.

    Go ahead & burn your FF tunes. Hell make a social media post about it. It’ll do good, we promise.

    Why don’t you wait & see what Dave does with money? Anybody know what his charitable interests are?

    Y’all just want to burn some one & you’ll burn your heroes as easily as your villains. Buncha fuckin’ assholes.

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    SoleInvictus ,

    Keep in mind the prevailing sentiments of any post are heavily influenced by who shows up first. In this case, a number of people showed up with opinions antagonistic to your beliefs. It's not necessarily representative of the community, just the majority of the people in the comment section at that time. Those with beliefs that run contrary to the prevailing theme in the comment section may decide just not to comment instead of being involved in conflict, further reinforcing the bias.

    dependencyinjection ,

    To be fair the right boycott things for being inclusive. I like to boycott things for being divisive or shitting on the little guy.

    Does it matter? To the companies and people I boycott, probably not. But I know I’m not giving my money to people I don’t agree with.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    I guess my point is, in what way is Foo Fighters playing for Amazon divisive?

    Amazon was going to pay someone to perform at that show & that performer, regardless of whether it was FF, was not going to convince Amazon to give that money to employees that deserved it.

    So what exactly did the Foo Fighters do to earn this level ire? You’d rather Amazon gave that money to another performer?

    If everyone really feels that strongly about FF taking this gig, then start a campaign telling FF how you think the money should be spent.

    I’d certainly consider that a better use of everyone’s anger.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Divisive. Just look at these comments.

    The argument if it’s not them it’ll be someone else is pretty weak.

    I may as well rob my neighbours house, if it isn’t me it might be someone else aye?

    Yeah I’d rather they give it someone else if it goes against FF morals. I certainly would have turned it down if I were them.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Look, congratulations on being able to turn down a paycheck from Amazon. I myself would absolutely take that paycheck from Amazon.

    But I digress… So, back to the topic at hand.

    In what way is any of this FF’s fault? What have FF done to divide anyone? Perform?

    Amazon wanted a concert. Amazon got a concert. Amazon was going to get a concert, regardless of who performed.

    Your argument is that FF are fault because… because why? They should’ve turned it down?

    Who should have performed for Amazon then?

    If that argument is so weak, you go right on ahead and tell me who the ethical choice would be for an Amazon concert? Dua Lipa? Green Day? Chris Brown?

    You know what? Your right. Every single established musical act should have displayed the mental fortitude & character to turn down Amazon’s money.

    The key word there is SHOULD, but should isn’t always realistic.

    Be mad at Amazon. I’m with you on that. But blaming a band because you don’t like person who signs their check is pretty self defeating in my opinion.

    The Foo Fighters don’t owe any of us shit & our opinions on their income streams are irrelevant.

    dependencyinjection , (edited )

    Thank you. I really do turn down money for what I believe in and I’m not rich, I just think there is more to life than money. As a software developer I could earn a lot more by working for say a gambling company, but I wouldn’t do that as I find the industry particularly morally bankrupt.

    You’re conflating what they have done wrong with what I finding morally acceptable. FF can do whatever the fuck they want and be fine, but they can’t do whatever the fuck they want and still receive my money or attention.

    It’s not that deep. FF don’t even know I exist, and they’ll continue to be rich and successful. Just without me compromising my beliefs.

    I don’t know if the devil performs these days but I think he would be quite fitting. Perhaps if Hitler was alive he could paint them some pictures.

    I’m not trying to dictate who performs for the Amazon execs, just that whoever it is isn’t getting my money.

    You know who does get my money, based on their moral fortitude and beliefs. Someone like Macklemore. I will support people whose beliefs align with mine.

    I really don’t know how I can be any clearer than that and I find it staggering that I have to defend myself in here, but you are fine with FF performing for execs from one of the most parasitic companies in the planet. If FF and Amazon can do what they want without recourse then so can I no?

    Let me ask you this. Do you just not care if you contribute to the worst aspects of society? Would you ever not give a company your money if it’s something you want?

    I forgo a lot of purchases as I can only find them on Amazon. I’ll pay more to buy things elsewhere. I don’t support McD, I try to avoid nestle as much as humanly possible. I left Facebook over a decade ago when they did nothing about rampant misinformation. I don’t support Weatherspoons in the UK over how they treated staff during Covid. I wouldn’t bank with Barclays as they invest in Israel etc.

    HonkTonkWoman , (edited )

    You’re standing a moral trapdoor. If you’re going to blame Foo Fighters for taking Amazon’s money, you’re going to have hold morality against every other artist on Amazon Music. Every artist selling physical media on Amazon. Every artist participating in any Amazon sponsored summer music events. Every last one of them.

    Provided you manage to do that, rid your musical world of every artist attached to Amazon, go for Ticketmaster next.

    Then go for the ones who allow Budweiser, Miller Lite, or Deathwater to be sold at their venues. All of them are produced by corporate behemoths killing this planet.

    Moving forward from there, we could start breaking out all the shitty record labels you should have issues with, before going onto any band that has performed with an instrument made from a questionable source of wood (ahem…).

    If this what you’re willing to burn your fandom over, I feel sorry for you. I hated that Pearl Jam caved to Ticketmaster, but it didn’t change my opinion of their music.

    It’s the music that speaks to you. You’re the one allowing some odious sense of morality about corporate contact take it away from you.

    What in the hell is rock & roll about that?

    And for the record, I don’t even like the fucking Foo Fighters. They sold out long ago.

    I give money to musicians who make music that speaks to me & I'm for sure as shit not going to let a corporation get in the way of that.

    If Jeff Bezos wanted to give Widespread Panic $50k for a show, I’d support it. Why? Because John Bell directly supports Hannah’s Buddies, Dave Schools & Jerry Joseph have supported an organization bringing guitars and lessons into war torn communities in the Middle East, because JoJo supports musicianship rebounding from Katrina, especially in communities of color.

    If Jeff Bezos wants to give a band I like a metric shitton of money, I feel relatively at ease in assuming they’ll do something better with that money for society than Bezos ever will.

    But go on you. You keep fighting that good fight… hope you can still a find a band that isn’t tainted.

    dependencyinjection ,

    So you’re saying if you can’t completely remove yourself from society then what’s the point taking a stand on anything?

    Like if we can’t stop all murder what’s the point in prosecuting any murders.

    I never said anything about not listening to any bodies music. I said I want give them my attention on platforms that do reward them with money. I won’t buy merch etc.

    I’ll give my money and time to things that I actually care about. Like taking direct action against companies killing Palestinians.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    I didn’t say that at all, but what stand are you taking? Because right now?

    Right now, the only thing you’re mad at is that your band took a pay day from someone you don’t like. Now you have an easy target & easy answer to your disappointment: boycott.

    But boycotting the Foo Fighters ain’t gonna do shit & you fuckin know it. It’s an easy & that’s all you needed to start typin’ away.

    The Foo Fighters aren’t the problem, Amazon is. The Foo Fighters didn’t support Amazon, quite opposite. The Foo Fighters didn’t do shady shit to receive the money they were paid, Amazon did.

    That money was leaving Amazon for musician or band. Full stop.

    You’ve decided since it was your band, BBOO MY BAND.

    But your band can do a whole hell of a lot of better with that money than Amazon can.

    Arguably, the band you like would do better things with that money than other bands or musicians who might have received that money, if your band had declined.

    In my mind that is a net positive out an inevitability shitty situation.

    It’s not the best positive, neither your actions nor the Foo Fighters’ can give you the result want here.

    So you have a decision:

    • Currently, your decision is scorched earth against the Foo Fighters, standing up for your ultimate morality by letting Jeff & Amazon take away something you’ve cared about in the past.

    You claim it’s because you can’t support a band that takes money from Amazon, but you willfully ignore that bands really don’t have the ability to avoid Amazon any more, at least not if they want to reach their fans where they are.

    • An alternate decision is realizing that in the grand scheme of things, while this is not a great moment in the band’s history, it might still result in some form of a positive. If not directly for the fans of the band, for the wellbeing of a band you considered your self a fan of.

    And given that you haven’t even begun to speculate what the Foo Fighters might use that money for, give this some consideration…

    A little over two years ago, the band lost Taylor on the heels of the pandemic, mid-tour.

    Now, I don’t know a ton about the Foo Fighters financial situation, but I’d guess that the loss of their drummer after a global pandemic had an impact on the band’s debt to cash ratio. I’d also wager that death makes the touring insurance conversation a bit different this round & could present some other logistical challenges getting another tour off the ground.

    Maybe they’re trying to cover some of that debt so they don’t have to pass it along to their fans. Maybe they’re going to help Taylor’s family with some of it.

    Fact of the matter of is, you and everyone else on this thread has jumped on the hate wagon without even considering what that money might be used for. It’s reactionary bullshit & it’s sad.

    You think you’ve found a cause, but you’ve only heard half of a story & you’re willing to let Jeff Bezos take the Foo Fighters away from you over it. You’re too impatient and angry enough to let the dust settle & the whole story unfold.

    So again, go on you. Fight that good fight.

    dependencyinjection ,

    You don’t know me and you don’t know how many companies I boycott on moral grounds.

    You don’t know what direct action I take against companies I don’t agree with, nor the activism I do IRL to further causes I support.

    This is one thing in a large and growing list of causes.

    I’ll end the conversation here as there is nothing more to be gained.

    I do hope you have a great weekend though.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    There’s that self righteous indignation. Quit on something you care about because it touched something dirty… brilliant outlook.

    End the conversation friend & have a good show. That’s if you can find one that’s not tainted.

    You sure have shown the world your merit by turning your back on the Foo Fighters because, well, Amazon.

    Those evil evil Foo Fighters destroying your planet with all that Amazon money…

    You stand for your own sense of self morality & nothing else. Some fucking fan you turned out to be.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Dave is this you?

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Dave? No, just someone who’s willing to give a band I like the benefit of the doubt over penis shaped billionaire.

    Good luck changing the world by turning your back on the things that make you happy!

    dependencyinjection ,

    Thanks dude.

    I appreciate you being supportive of me choosing to spend my time and money as I please, something I support of you too.

    FYI - I am very happy, I spent the day with family today, put a deposit on a new tattoo and treated myself to a lovely Seiko. I’m now listening to some Chopin and waiting for food.

    HonkTonkWoman , (edited )

    Excellent bro. I went for a hike on National Trails day & have avoided issuing judgements before hearing the whole story!

    Oh, and I’m listening to North Fork Two-Step by Slang.

    Oh oh! Wasn’t Chopin largely believed to be an antisemite? You gonna walk away from those tunes too?

    dependencyinjection ,

    Nice. I’d love to get down to some National Trails.

    Huh… interesting revelation about Chopin, I was aware Wagner was pretty anti-Semitic.

    As for not listening to Chopin, I think I can be pretty sure that he isn’t making any money from me listening to him, the same as listening I my FF CDs. I thought I had been pretty clear on that for this entire thread that I would not be rewarding them with money or time on services that give them money.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    You did make that clear. But you haven’t stated why, other than Amazon Money = Bad.

    There aren’t enough good musicians getting paid what they should be on this planet. And most of the ones who are making shit tons of money in music, don’t deserve it.

    You, at one point in time, thought the Foo Fighters deserved to be making big money in the music industry, otherwise you wouldn’t have listened to them.

    So now that the Foo Fighters have made it big enough that Billionaires want private concerts from them, your response is to abandon them.

    You still have no idea whether they needed the money or plan to do something positive with it, you just know they took it from Amazon and you don’t like it.

    That’s some fair weather fandom right there.

    dependencyinjection ,

    The Foo Fighters have enough money that there kids kids won’t have to work again.

    The why is because I don’t support Amazon and in turn people that do support Amazon.

    I don’t agree that too many artists are making money that don’t deserve it. If people are buying there music, whether I think their music is vapid or not doesn’t matter. If you are a pop star and have millions of fans then they’ve earned it imo.

    As a software developer I could earn double my current wage working for a gambling company, but I don’t support that and so I think any artist I support should have the same kind of morals.

    HonkTonkWoman , (edited )

    You keep saying that about gambling, like it equates to the Foo Fighters taking money from Amazon, but it doesn’t.

    The foo fighters didn’t accept a sponsorship from Amazon, you’re not going to see smile logos on their instruments or expect their road crew to wear those blue uniforms.

    They took a high paying gig.

    Furthermore, until you can produce a balance sheet, your statement about the Foo Fighters wealth is conjecture.

    You do not know where that band stands financially after losing a founding member’s death & on the heels of a pandemic.

    You don’t know how much money the band lost having to cancel their tour after Taylor passed. You have no idea whether their insurance premiums went up.

    There are whole slew of logistical factors that could’ve made it an easier decision on the band to take the gig, but you won’t consider any other possibility, will you? You’ve jumped right to the conclusion that your heroes turned greedy & took some money you don’t like, & you’re certain enough of that stance that after one article, you’re willing to abandon them.

    The majority of all musicians operate at deficit & are not rolling around in the black. Where’s your proof the Foo Fighters are?

    I don’t know either, but I at least have the presence of mind not to publicly shit on them until more information comes out.

    Furthermore Furthermore, name a band who you follow that is not touched by Amazon? A band that’s not on Amazon Music, that has no physical media or merch for sale via Amazon. A band that doesn’t perform at any Amazon sponsored venues or Amazon sponsored concert series.

    And if you’re not willing to do that, just tell me who should have received that money, if not the Foo Fighters?

    You want to take a stand, fine, but don’t pretend your little personal boycott is anything other than a self serving pat on the back.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Where’s the line for you then?

    Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert at anti LGBTQ+ rallies?

    Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert Neo-Nazis?

    Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert for the IDF?

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert at anti LGBTQ+ rallies?

    • Public performance, not a private one-off. False equivalency. The Foo Fighters did not publicly support Amazon or its Execs. They performed a private show for a private client, and you’ve happened to find out about it.

    Where you’re being irresponsible is not giving them the benefit of the doubt, or even a moment’s patience, when it comes to why they took a private gig with Amazon.

    Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert Neo-Nazis?

    • Absolutely not. But then again, I didn’t support them in the first place, you did.

    And again with the neo-nazi shit? Amazon, as awful as it fucking is, is still a decent part of the Music industry’s delivery system…

    Hmmm I wonder if the Foo Fighters could phase out a relationship with Amazon as a distributor, now that they have millions of Amazon’s dollars?

    Would you support the Foo Fighters playing a concert for the IDF?

    If the band was willing to turn around do something good with that money, like help Palestinian refugees, yes, probably? I mean what a better fuck you to the IDF than helping Palestine with Israeli money?

    Fact again… you don’t know what the band plans on doing with the Amazon money. What if they announce on Monday they plan to use the Amazon money to support unionization in Amazon facilities?

    Likelihood they will is low, I know. But your response to all this isn’t to even hope something positive comes of it, it’s just to bitch how awful this is… while not yet knowing what this actually is.

    So again, name a band untouched by Amazon. Or hell, name a band you love that is new, playing small venues & hoping to hop on a summer tour.

    Now, kill their drummer & force them to end the remainder of their Spring tour early. After dates had been booked & sold.

    Come Fall, when that band has to pay their rent… would you turn on them for taking Amazon money?

    Your standard is that the Foo Fighters are wealthy enough to not need Bezos Bucks. But again, you don’t know what the band’s actual operating budget is.

    And if they do happen to be operating at a deficit, which they likely are given their recent circumstances…

    The band members themselves should give up their personal wealth, rather than take a paycheck from Amazon.

    Would you pay your employer to keep its doors open, rather take Amazon money?

    bolexforsoup ,

    So somehow if it’s a private performance it’s suddenly morally permissible? I don’t follow.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Didn’t say it was morally permissible. Just said it’s more nuanced than the current response of social shaming & individual boycotts.

    Again, I’ll point that I’m not the one drawing lines in the sand here.

    It is perfectly reasonable for you to be disgusted by this information. It’s also perfectly reasonable if you to acknowledge that this is not all of the information & that maybe going scorched earth is a bit hasty at this point.

    I’m not saying the Foo Fighters aren’t dicks. If they line their pockets with this money & don’t do anything of value with it, then yeah, fuck em.

    But I will remind you that this is the same band that waggled their dongs around in front of the Westboro Baptist Church.

    I don’t even like this band & I’m willing to give ‘em a few minutes because of that moment alone.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Why do you care if an individual boycotts something they don’t want to support? What impact does that have on you?

    You also made the distinction of private vs public performance so now I’m more confused. You said because it’s private it doesn’t matter but it also doesn’t make it morally permissible?

    dependencyinjection ,

    I give up talking to that person, as you say they seem to take issue with me boycotting something which matters nothing to them.

    At this point I feel they’re just in it to be argumentative.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    You’ve made your private boycott public here in this thread, and so has everyone else. Problem is, none of you can articulate why you think the Foo Fighters deserve this. At least not thoroughly.

    That tells me one of two things. You’re either just angry and unwilling to think this situation through, so you’ve jumped on the hate wagon with ½ a story & every intention of bringing other people with you.

    Either that, or you’re in this thread pushing an agenda & trying to whip up a misguided fervor for reasons that don’t involve the Foo Fighters.

    Either way, I see this as you publicly lambasting another public entity & you can’t or won’t explain why. That just reeks of mob mentality.

    Also, don’t be obtuse. You know full & well what I mean about a private performance versus a public performance.

    Musicians perform publicly, with tickets on sale, and you know… the public is present.

    Musicians also perform privately, for a single payer, with no public tickets available.

    Are you really going to fault the Foo Fighters because they did a private show? Why do YOU care?

    You don’t get a say in how that band makes its money. And if they aren’t doing awful shit with that money, then I don’t really think you have a leg to stand on here.

    They didn’t cancel a public show to do this performance. They didn’t turn down a charity event to my knowledge.

    No, they took a private a gig & the only thing you know is that you don’t like who the gig was for. Not why they took it, no, you’re too selfish to wait for that info… you’re just pissed that they took it & that makes you mad enough to spout off.

    But you’re just spitting sparks because you really don’t care about the nuance of this situation or the band you claimed to be a fan of. You’re fair weather bandwagon rider & you just like saying angry shit on the internet.

    You are simply pissed that the money came from Amazon. You can’t offer up a reasoning as to why the Foo Fighters don’t deserve that money, you can’t offer up a thought on who does deserve that money, & you refuse to acknowledge that the money used to belong to Amazon, while now it belongs to someone better. You just picked the one part you didn’t like & told yourself your job was done here.

    bolexforsoup , (edited )

    I can articulate it you just aren’t interested in hearing it. You’re outraged at people’s outrage and are shouting us down saying we aren’t allowed to think or feel what we think and feel.

    This is a public forum. We are discussing this topic because it’s relevant. What we express or don’t express isn’t threatening to you. It’s just discussion and opinion sharing. Nothing happening here impacts you. If you hate it, leave the thread man.

    I mean look at these walls of text you’re dropping over an artist you yourself said you don’t even care about. This is kind of ridiculous.

    Anyway I’m done. This has gone on far too long.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Not interested in hearing it? It’s all I’ve been asking for, that clarification.

    You won’t clarify, but you’re the one who’s outraged. AMAZON BAD!!! Remember?

    Go ahead, lay out a logical reason that explains why you would make such a drastic decision when you don’t have all the information.

    YOH DON’T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. FULL STOP.

    IF YOU CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON BOYCOTTING & ABANDONING YOUR BAND, WITHOUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION…

    The please, by all means, poop out that magic answer. Share that magic shit with all of us.

    Until you can, you’re being irresponsible.

    And by the walls of text are because I’m sick of this shit. This blind outrage just clamoring for attention. It’s the same bullshit the right pulls.

    YOU’RE PARTICIPATING IN CANCEL CULTURE WITHOUT REASON. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Ahhhh this all makes sense now. You are on a crusade about cancel culture. You want to cancel cancel culture and this is just a proxy battle where you have avoided for several comments actually stating your purpose, but now you are so angry that you can’t resist blurting it out. We could’ve saved a lot of time here but that’s fine. I’m guessing the opacity was on purpose.

    This was informative, I’m actually done now. Maybe lay off the CAPSLOCK next time. Later dude.

    HonkTonkWoman , (edited )

    No, I’m just not a dipshit willing to wag around a half thought out belief like it should be taken as gospel.

    If you treat everyone & everything the way you treat this situation, abandonment at the slightest hint of something you don’t like, I really feel bad for the people in your life.

    What are you going to do when someone you care about takes a gig with Amazon? You gonna drop a fetid deuce on them too?

    You gonna punt your baby across the lawn for spilling milk? Might as well, it as arbitrary as your decision to boycott the Foo Fighters.

    And you still can’t elucidate how you arrived at such a drastic choice with only half the story.

    It’s because you can’t justify your decision & you know it.

    bolexforsoup ,

    👍

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    !

    bolexforsoup ,

    The right boycotted bud light because they were being transphobic. We are simply calling attention to the fact that Dave Grohl does not need the money and doing a show for Amazon execs is a decision he didn’t have to make. I’m not boycotting him, I don’t suddenly hate him and want him to die or something. So please do not compare me to the bigots who decided that a few beer cans showing someone who is trans was basically the end of the world.

    Many of us are critiquing his decision and some of you are really upset by it for some reason. We have that right and it’s a valid thing to point out. Would you not judge him for playing a trump rally?

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Right, but you have no clue how FF will use that money & you’re willfully ignoring that Amazon has already infected the music industry.

    Your moral outrage at FF completely ignores that the band lost a drummer & cancelled a tour on the heels of a global pandemic. You have no idea what their debt to cash ratio is and whether they intend to use that cash to keep costs down for fans or maybe even help Taylor’s family with it.

    This thread has seen half of a story, chosen their villain, and are now willing to jump on anyone who might show a modicum of patience and empathy.

    So go ahead, call out the Foo Fighters for taking dirty Amazon money… but you still only have a story.

    bolexforsoup , (edited )

    I have a feeling Foo Fighters/Dave Grohl must mean a lot to you and this must be a very difficult discussion for you to have. I’m not really sure I deserve the snipes you are taking at me so I’ll just leave it there. Hopefully you’ll understand the response to it isn’t as binary as your making it out to be, and that you don’t need to be so angry/hostile for people questioning the decision of a successful musician. It’s just a discussion about what we perceive as social responsibility.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    I’m not a fan of the Foo Fighters I think they’ve already sold out & while I don’t dislike them, I’m not a fan.

    What’s difficult about this conversation is that everyone else has made it black & white, over whether Amazon’s money is tainted.

    That’s everyone’s only argument, Amazon money is bad & the Foo Fighters shouldn’t have taken it.

    But… that argument ignores the nuance I’m trying to point out.

    That money was going to be given to a band or musician for concert full of gross Amazon execs. Full stop. That is all it was ever going to be used for by Amazon & neither you or I can stop it.

    So if the Foo Fighters shouldn’t have taken that money, than who should have received it? What band would you prefer to have played for Amazon?

    That concert was going down with it without the Foo Fighters. So if not them, then who?

    bolexforsoup ,

    You’re saying everybody else has made a black-and-white, but I am here trying to talk to you about it in a nuanced way, which you responded to by attacking me personally and pushing it back into a more black-and-white discussion. I’m not really sure what you want out of this so I think it’s best we just let it go. You seem quite heightened for somebody who is not emotionally invested in it.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    I’m emotionally invested in it because I’m sick of letting corporations take things I love away from me.

    I have been to hundreds of concerts, followed bands across the country, and spent hours upon hours waiting in line for tickets. I used to go stand in line at a damn Kroger to get tickets so I could avoid paying Ticket Master more money.

    I live music & I hate corporations trying to put their names on it.

    I have not made of this black & white. I am not the one drawing a line in the sand with the Foo Fighters. I’m here trying to convince you all from walking away from something that makes you happy because of some self righteous sense of morality.

    The Foo Fighters simply did what the do, perform music for money. Everyone else is black & white over where that money came from. Not even what the band did with the money, just where the money came from.

    Bad news friend, you aren’t going to find clean money in the music industry. It’s all foul.

    You want to abandon something that makes you happy or think less of it because dirty money touched it? Your fuckin loss.

    But don’t call yourself a fan. If you were, you’d at least have the patience to hear the band’s side of it before coming in a thread like this joining in on all rage bait in here.

    That music is yours to love, don’t give it to Jeff. That is my only investment in this conversation.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Nobody is taking anything away from you and you don’t love foo fighters. You’re mad because people are upset at an artist’s decision. You’re projecting a lot on to this man.

    You’re saying it’s our loss and it doesn’t matter but you’re also mad that people are saying “I don’t personally support this” as if my feelings on the matter impact you in the slightest. No one is forcing you to do anything.

    Go see Dave Grohl perform. Don’t go see Dave grohl perform. Nothing here changes that. That ball is still squarely in your court.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Well for starters, he played a private show for Amazon execs.

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    bolexforsoup ,

    I have no skin in this game dude, I don’t hate Dave Grohl suddenly. I just think this performance was incredibly tacky. You’re way too defensive about this.

    He’s a performer. Who he performs for does matter to some degree. If he played Trump’s inauguration, for instance, people would rightfully judge the decision.

    It’s not like he needs the money at this point. He can be a little more discerning.

    WldFyre ,

    Didn't he and the band literally promote AIDs conspiracy theories at concerts?

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    WldFyre ,

    Yeah NBD at all! Lol

    Imagine stanning for such a mid band

    chakan2 ,
    @chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

    Kurt wasn't offered millions for a private show.

    aStonedSanta ,

    I dunno. Man’s getting paid to play music. If he takes that money and does something better with it. That’s still a positive. Don’t be a hipster lol

    applepie ,

    Live a life of luxury with small portion going to annual donation for PR and tax purposes...

    Bootlickers jfc

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    In case you haven't noticed, EVERY SINGLE FOO FIGHTERS CONCERT SUPPORTED CORPORATE OVERLORDS. The tickets you bought? Corporate Overlord sold 'em to you. The tunes you bought? Corporate Overlord. The venue you went to? Sponsored by a corporate overlord. The Beer you drank at the venue, the fucking merch you bought, hell, even the fucking parking fee you coughed up went to a corporation. You don't get to enjoy music anymore without supporting corporate overlords.

    You're being an antagonistic asshole and you know it. And you use the term bootlicker incorrectly.

    applepie ,

    Bro... I don't go to concerts because fuck rent seeking parasites. Small venues only chief.

    I don't pay for corporate music. If I like the artist and they accept payments. I will pay direct.

    I am sorry you can't imagine a world without sucking some rich dudes' dicks.

    Simping for some celeb on here... I don't even know who these clowns are. They had like one hit wonder in 2000s. Wtf is u so worked up over?

    MentalGymnastics ,

    Your the one all worked up calling people corporate bootlickers. Pretend all you want that you don't live in a world where you don't support corporations to enjoy music. Pretend all you want that your not doing the same exact shit your complaining about. Your sucking off some rich dude just to for whatever reason avoid giving money to a corporation and instead give it straight to rich dudes pocket. Weirdo is acting like he doesn't listen to his shitty music on YouTube music or Apple or whatever corpo platform. Keep pretending you would even know half the artists you do without corporations allowing them to advertise it on an app you use on your cellphone.

    applepie ,

    Jfc... You make so many assumptions that's more telling about you than anything.

    Protip: selfhosting and Yarr ;)

    Protip2: don't give money to gereatirc clowns, give money to up and coming talent who is a actually developing instead of milking their fame

    jumjummy ,

    So once a musician becomes popular, you switch to up and coming talent? Major hipster and superiority complex vibes from your posts.

    Don’t research every small venue you visit to make sure it’s not part of some giant corporation?

    You sound angry about the world.

    applepie ,

    OK boomer, why so hurt tho?

    This comment section is a melt down haha

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Calm down their puddin, ain’t nobody trying to eat your pie.

    Go on about yourself with your bootlicking antagonistic bullshit.

    Every musician who releases music works with corporate overlords jackhole.

    Tell me, what noncorporate music playing device do you listen to your tunes on?

    When you buy a beverage at your non-corporate venues, whatcha drinkin’ their pal?

    Dave Grohl didn’t steal your rent money & you have fucking clue rock & roll is, Junior.

    applepie ,

    Still hurt?

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    No puddin’, not in the least. Now you go on & keep playing lil Tommy Toughnuts, I’m sure your mom will call you in for dinner soon

    You sure are making a world of difference lambasting internet strangers. Keep after it, everyone will realize how hard you are any day now.

    applepie ,

    He hurt

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Not he dipshit. Go on now, go on home. You’ve gotten cranky & are in need of an attitude adjustment.

    GluWu ,

    Lemmy skews heavy 30+ so most people here will never understand. But I'm right there with you.

    The tickets you bought? Corporate Overlord sold 'em to you.

    Never bought them, i can sneak into anything worth being at.

    The tunes you bought? Corporate Overlord.

    Never bought them other than physical copies direct from the label that only has 5 artists.

    The venue you went to? Sponsored by a corporate overlord.

    Never went, any "venue" I've been to was come and go.

    The Beer you drank at the venue

    Didn't buy it, made and brought it.

    the fucking merch you bought

    Never bought it

    hell, even the fucking parking fee you coughed up went to a corporation.

    I go to venues through piblic transit so i can get intoxicated

    You don't get to enjoy music anymore without supporting corporate overlords.

    I've been contributing to small fedi artists just because they're small fedi artists.

    You're being an antagonistic asshole and you know it. And you use the term bootlicker incorrectly.

    If you even want to talk about you insecurities that you project, I won't offer myself because you already made up your mind about who I am before you finished reading this. Get help. Twat.

    aDuckk ,

    Imagine if they gave some or all of it to an Amazon union drive. A prank of historical proportions

    paskalivichi ,

    I'm disappointed in Dave grohl

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!

    casmael ,

    Tbf it’s not like grohl needs the cash is it

    Duallight ,

    Eh, all he did was accept money to do exactly what he does: play a concert. Now if he canceled other concerts just for this, that would be a different story IMO. The Amazon execs would just buy a yacht or something instead if Dave declined.

    Isoprenoid ,

    Ah the ol' "If I didn't accept the money to do something unethical, then someone else would have done it." argument.

    Duallight ,

    Yeah, I can see how it could be seen that way. I'm thinking more along the lines of "Dave performs for money. Someone wants to pay a lot of money for a special performance, and it doesn't affect any of his other shows so of course he would do it". IMO what Dave did isn't unethical, but I can see how it could be seen that way. But I also think if the article was "Amazon Execs bought a multi million dollar yacht after massive layoffs", no one would be blaming the yacht manufacturer. Just the execs.

    zaph ,
    @zaph@sh.itjust.works avatar

    no one would be blaming the yacht manufacturer

    I already don't support yacht manufacturers. I own foo fighters albums. There is a massive difference in your example.

    Duallight ,

    The yacht was a bad example. What I'm getting at is that not hating something is not the same as supporting it. I don't support Dave doing this, but I don't hate him for doing it either.

    zaph ,
    @zaph@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Fair as fuck

    micka190 ,

    Here's a better one: If the Amazon execs threw a private party, no one would be blaming the caterers.

    zaph ,
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    Assuming they're not already millionaires, correct.

    aniki ,

    So I won't buy a yacht anytime soon. Good.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Perhaps it’s not against Dave Grohl’s ethics but it’s certainly against mine so all I can do is add the Foo Fighters to the ever growing list of people or companies that don’t get my attention or money.

    To be honest I’m thankful all this stuff is out in the open as I’m saving a lot of money.

    I don’t shop on Amazon, don’t use social media, don’t eat McD, don’t buy Foo Fighters albums, don’t watch Will Smith movies, etc.

    Fixbeat ,

    What did Will Smith do?

    dependencyinjection ,

    He assaulted a man on live TV and later was given an award and never faced any repercussions.

    Also, over shadowed Samuel L Jackson’s night.

    Fixbeat ,

    Ah, I see. I was thinking he might have done something else and didn’t hear about it.

    brbposting ,

    LMAO reading this IMMEDIATELY after replying to a… slightly different vibe of comment:

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/d8acc437-a532-44f0-8ea8-d0d0b4fb6ee9.png

    Beauty & strength through diversity [of thought]!

    Cryophilia ,

    Ah, the piecemeal approach to becoming a hermit. Eventually you'll just add literally everything to your "failed my purity test" list.

    dependencyinjection ,

    I don’t know. Macklemore is a pretty stand up guy and will stand by his morals. Plenty of people ain’t selling out and plenty of people stand up for what they believe in.

    Kinda strange all the back lash for my choice here but y’all won’t give the same backlash for FF choice. Double standards much.

    Cryophilia ,

    I'm not talking to Dave Grohl, I'm talking to you.

    Don't expect perfection, or you'll always be disappointed by people. Macklemore included lol

    dependencyinjection ,

    I don’t expect perfection. I am not perfect m, merely holding people to a higher standard than some.

    You do you bro and I’ll do me. It’s not that deep.

    Have a wonderful weekend, I know I will.

    _sideffect ,

    Maybe to defend Dave, he thought that he was just doing a concert for amazon workers in general?

    I'm sure they didn't explicitly state that "this private concert is for execs only"

    Sunforged ,

    No pass granted. Amazon is currently hiring their anti-union lawyers as direct warehouse managers to fight the unionization efforts at KCVG Airhub. There is no excuse in 2024 to take a gig from this company and not understand who you are getting in bed with.

    Support KCVGs union effort! They are the companies largest airhub and function as a critical choke point in their supply lines. A union win would be a huge success for unionization across all warehouses at Amazon.

    _sideffect ,

    You think Dave keeps up with all of this?

    Sunforged ,

    I don't care if he does or does not, the point is Amazon's ruthless exploitation of the working class is not an unknown fact.

    Ignorance is not an excuse.

    _sideffect ,

    Lmao

    "Hey you can't park here"

    "There's no signs saying that?"

    "I don't care if you know or not, don't be ignorant"

    Sunforged ,

    Idk what point you're trying to make. Are you saying we need to make signs for how Amazon abuses it's employees?

    _sideffect ,

    Do you think every person on the planet knows this information?

    Sunforged ,

    Yes dude, piss bottles in the warehouse are a meme at this point. Working conditions in the warehouses have been making headlines since people died due to overheating way back in 2013.

    _sideffect ,

    😂 Keep believing that everyone knows that. You have to open your mind as to exactly how much information is out there and who reads what.

    Sunforged ,

    Were you yourself ignorant to this?

    _sideffect ,

    That's irrelevant to my argument

    Sunforged ,

    Ok bud.

    https://y.yarn.co/85ddc1c7-e588-458c-a9ab-2aaec2fd82d5_text.gif

    _sideffect ,

    🙄

    aniki ,

    That's not an excuse.

    applepie ,

    Pathetic

    Isoprenoid ,

    Dave will have a manager that knows this stuff. Do you think Dave does all the administration that is required to set up a concert? The guy probably has a team of people. There is no way that they didn't know. Amazon has a public reputation.

    _sideffect ,

    And you think his manager gives two shits about who he performs for? Money comes in, the manager books the gig.

    You can't blame Dave then, if as you said his manager set it up, which was my original point

    Isoprenoid ,

    You can't blame Dave then.

    If his manager set up a performance for neo-Nazis, you don't think Dave still has a say?

    Dave: "Oh no, my manager set up that performance for the group of sex offenders. You can't blame me, I just play in the band."

    Please.

    _sideffect ,

    Stupid counter argument

    Is it stamped on their heads that they are neo Nazis or sex offenders? Lmao, come on.

    Isoprenoid ,

    Is it stamped on their heads that they are neo Nazis

    You're right, sometimes it's hard to tell, especially when you can't see their foreheads. How else are we supposed to know?

    How was Dave and his managers supposed to know that Amazon is a terrible company?

    How

    were

    they

    supposed

    to

    know?

    /s

    _sideffect ,

    😂😂😂

    emptiestplace ,

    So that's who listens to this garbage...

    chakan2 ,
    @chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

    Dave is making money. Don't blame him.

    I quit a company for this. We wouldn't give our star performers raises, but they somehow managed to pull off a 7 million dollar one week party for the whole company. It would've been something like 100k per employee had they just handed out bonuses.

    We lost a wave of talent after that and their stock dropped 80%. I'm glad I cashed out when I did.

    androogee ,

    Dave is making money. Don’t blame him.

    Tf kinda brain dead excuse is this?

    Acting immorally is okay if you're making money?

    This is truly mind-obliterating stupidity.

    maynarkh ,

    My guess is that the argument is that participating in society does not equal endorsement of the system we live in. This is how musicians make money. By playing music to who pays for it.

    That said, I myself am of two minds about them taking the money.

    AbidanYre ,

    It would be easy for the Foo Fighters to not take that gig. They're doing fine either way.

    It's also possible for musicians to take a stand for change.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_City_(song)

    dependencyinjection ,

    It absolutely does equal endorsement.

    I’ll make my life harder to avoid companies and people I don’t support.

    Have a fucking backbone and stand up for what you believe in. Why should we contribute to the things we abhor?

    Do you think you it’s justified perform for these people if they getting paid?

    Lodra ,
    @Lodra@programming.dev avatar

    Ya… being paid to perform isn’t immoral. Honestly, I hope he took a ton of cash from Amazon for the show.

    Amazon is the crowd doing evil crap. Their immorality doesn’t automatically spread to everyone they interact with. Especially, people that aren’t actually aiding their efforts. This one is corporate waste

    ech ,

    FFs took a huge paycheck of blood money that they could've easily turned down. They're in it too.

    casmael ,

    Yeah plus it’s not like they’re a new band desperate for cash and a big break - without doing any maths, I’m pretty sure Dave & Co. could easily turn down evert corpo gig that comes their way from now until forever, and still be out there living the high life.

    chakan2 ,
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    Yes...I'm sure FF is intimately involved in Amazon internal politics. I'm sure they were made aware of every person fired to pay for their show before it was booked last year.

    It's a gig. A highly paying gig. They don't fucking care who's in the audience.

    ech ,

    Don't blame him because he's just "making money"? Might as well not blame the execs with that logic. They're also just making money, right?

    YMS ,
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    With this particular concert, no, they're spending company money (which otherwise could have gone to employees) for themselves.

    Vash63 ,

    7 million could've paid 100k per employee? Impressive for a 70 person company to host such an expensive party then.

    chakan2 ,
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    Er...shit...was off by half...it was 50k an employee.

    moon ,

    He's not your average guy working to put food on the table lol. For someone of his status, his image being hurt from this is far more expensive than whatever they're paying them for.

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    applepie ,

    Wtf does this even mean?

    Isoprenoid ,

    Essentially, if you're nice enough you're allowed to do something bad once in a while.

    It doesn't make sense.

    ganksy ,
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    The hate is proportional to the level of betrayal people feel. These people are scum(Amazon execs). Dave and the band rewarded them with a special people only concert for being extra parasitic on society. Shame is not unwarranted here.

    KRAW ,
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    I mean, I'm not exactly giving FF a pass here but rewarded is factually incorrect considering FF was paid to do the gig. The show wasn't some free pat on the back for the execs doing such a great job.

    ganksy ,
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    True but it's not like it was a life-changing payoff. If they didn't do this gig they could have been paid for a regular gig.

    KRAW ,
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    Again, not giving them a free pass. Just pointing out the terminology used is an overstatement.

    ganksy ,
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    Fair enough

    Hegar ,
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    The only way this gig is ethically justifiable is if the support act is a guillotine.

    Mirshe ,

    Rage Against the Machine doing this concert would just be Tom Morello beating every one of them to death with his guitar.

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    no hed be doing the same as foo fighters actually. playing a gig

    CptEnder ,

    Someone hasn't heard the Tom Morello don't you know who I am story haha

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    no but i did hear of the rage against the machine charging outragelously high prices story

    PlainSimpleGarak ,

    They charged outrageous prices for their last tour. I never cared for them, so it didn't impact me.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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    I'd pay for that. Let's start a Kickstarter.

    TimLovesTech ,
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    For those not upset and see the band "just playing a gig", what would be a line that you personally would consider too far? Would you be ok with them doing a private show for Netanyahu and his cabinet? Would a private show for Trump and his Republican lackeys be ok? How about Nestle CEO and its board, but none of its workers? Would a private show for the Proud Boys be ok if they had a "dump truck full of cash"?

    Bluefalcon ,

    I definitely agree but it still hurts, a lot.

    admin ,
    @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

    I honestly don't care who they play for, as long as it's not at the cost of of any regular scheduled gig.

    SkyNTP , (edited )

    Right? The concert is not the problem. The problem is who is paying for it/who is deserving of this (or any other) company benefit.

    Though I guess there is an argument to be had that the performers are enabling class exploitation instead of standing in solidarity. Then again, it's entirely plausible that the performers don't know any of these details.

    FiniteBanjo ,

    This is way past the point for me, but I'm not a good musician or famous and part of how I draw lines may be contributing factors.

    asdfasdfasdf ,

    Personally, I'd think it would be much for impactful to play for whoever, then donate all the proceeds to some important cause. Telling e.g. Netanyahu no to a Foo Fighters concert isn't going to make him change his mind about anything. But giving the concert will take money away from him and give it to something important.

    PiJiNWiNg ,

    What harm are they doing though? They're being paid to do a private concert, not donating to their super PAC. It goes without saying that lavish spending on executives when people are being laid off is super gross, but at the end of the day I dont think the band did anything worth being chastised for.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Well I guess I’ll be adding the Foo Fighters to my list of people that won’t be getting any money from me.

    Does it matter? Sure it matters to me. I can sleep better knowing I’m not contributing to things I don’t agree with.

    I expected better from Dave Grohl but here we are.

    PiJiNWiNg ,

    Obviously it's entirely your prerogative what artists to support, but I'm having a hard time understanding how the Fighters of the Foo accepting money from rich douches changes how you feel about them. Now, if they took an Amazon record deal and wrote a bunch of garbage jingles or something, then yeah, id bail on em too. But in this case, I don't hink theyve done anything they havent done 1000x before; Played on a stage for a few hours, shook some hands, took some photos, and went home with some extra zeroes in their bank account.

    KevonLooney ,

    I think this is an interesting point. What if they gave a concert and a murderer attended? Should they leave if they found out who was there?

    Of course it's more personal when it's a private concert, but this is Amazon not Gaddafi. They are kind of supporting the company, but who's working as an Amazon executive just for the concerts? I'm sure they have free gym memberships or something too. Should the gym ban them?

    dependencyinjection ,

    It changes how I feel about them because I refuse to support people that don’t hold the same morals as me.

    I’m not saying they can’t perform here, just that their actions have consequences and they have to deal with that.

    Does it matter in the grand schema of things? Not at all, but I know what my beliefs are and where I want to put my money.

    Perhaps one day there will be a line that is over your moral boundary and I would support your right to make that choice.

    PiJiNWiNg ,

    Oh, I do the same for other things and didnt mean to imply you should do anything differently, everyone has their "line". I'm just saying maybe you dont have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The Foo Fighters, particularly Dave Grohl, are some of the more humanitarian artists out there. Dave himself routinely puts on BBQs to feed the homeless. So considering your comment about actions having consequences, they've earned a little bit of wiggle room in my eyes.

    But regardless, I respect ypur opinion and enjoy your weekend!

    Railing5132 ,

    Just to carry this train of thought forward... What type of device (make/OS) did you compose this post with? Unless you found a way to pass tcp via... I don't know... clay you dig up in your back yard, it's pretty hard to avoid ecological damage and morally-questionable employment practices. Participating in damn near any way with any economy makes all of us complicit, and at this point all we're arguing is to what degree makes each of us uncomfortable.

    dependencyinjection ,

    So if we can’t completely remove ourselves from every terrible company in society we shouldn’t even try at all.

    That’s pretty apathetic don’t you think.

    If we can’t stop all murders, why bother prosecuting any aye.

    Hobo ,

    This is such weird logic. The Foo Fighters are millionaires that have a ton of leeway with what shows they do because they don't really need more money to survive. The guy that frames houses probably isn't working for a morally great company but that dude starves without the job.

    Railing5132 ,

    And yet the Foo fighters and specifically Dave do benefit concerts raising millions and actually cook and feed disadvantaged people by the thousands. They also do (at last I knew) an annual multi-day trolling of the westboro Baptist church compound, which is a great thing imho.

    Now, what is the measure of a man? Is it a sliding scale? Is it just the sums? Sure, that house framer has smaller sins, but does he have a smaller positive impact? Does it matter?

    As I said in my last sentence, we're all just arguing degrees.

    Hobo ,

    That's a completely different argument...

    GluWu ,

    Something about monkies with lots of bananas? Dave's got 330 million bananas and just got a few hundred thousand more. Hoarding is only bad when people I don't like do it.

    PiJiNWiNg ,

    Oh, dont get me wrong, most anyone hoarding that much wealth is an asshole by default, but theres a lot worse out there than those guys. Hell, just this year Dave BBQed for 24hrs to feed the homeless, and has done many such events over the years.

    BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

    I consider Amazon to be only average evil. Now if they did a concert for Nestle...

    ilinamorato ,

    I think that anything benign that separates evil people from a significant portion of their cash is fine by me. That's millions of dollars they can't use to break up unions, or replace human workers with AI, or pay for campaign ads (or hush money, or legal costs). And it's not something that's aiding them in those pursuits, so it's generally just money they're losing.

    I think. That's just my initial idea.

    Maggoty ,

    Depends on how they're paying for it and if I could donate most of it to causes that actively oppose them. IMO it's like buying Chicks CDs to burn them. But the money, which is the real power here, flowed in one direction that day.

    Railing5132 ,

    Look, I despise Amazon and Jeff bezos. I avoid Amazon and work hard to find products from retailers that aren't Amazon storefronts. But at some point, unless you're self-employed and completely self-sustaining, you're 1) whoring yourself out to somebody, and 2) sucking the knob of capitalism somewhere.

    All we're left to argue is matter of degrees.

    the_doktor ,

    Seems like it's just fanboyism and they can't stand that a band they care about (or at least enjoy) has sold out to the absolute worst degree. People are right in that all bands sell out to a certain point ("All you know about me is what I've sold ya, dumb fuck/I sold out long before you'd ever even heard my name/I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit/And then you bought one" -- Hooker with a Penis, Tool), but when you specifically accept a gig that is just some elitist executive party for a company that treats its employees like shit, you've gone too far.

    Fuck the Foos. And stop making it political ("lol, liberals") -- bullshit, this is just rampant band fanboyism.

    Hobo ,

    Bands who break through walls with speakers

    Not just try to sell you sneakers

    You want bands who wanna sell you things

    Or bands who wanna tell you things?

    • Jeffery Lewis and the Rain, WWPRD

    One of the last punk dudes still making a statement instead of doing shows for 50 year old execs.

    lolcatnip ,

    And stop making it political

    It's political because caring about people who aren't rich is political.

    the_doktor ,

    The fact that you think it's a certain side that does this is the only reason you think it's political. And you're wrong about it.

    lolcatnip ,

    I'm not talking about just politicians. I'm talking about all conservatives. And yes, only one "side" is like that. It's their defining trait.

    Cold_Brew_Enema ,

    Too bad the Foo Fighters are garbage, so they treated themselves to shitty music

    masquenox ,

    It is a musician's business to know who they are performing for and why - and the more famous they are, the more it starts to matter. Grohl knows this.

    The people on here who is excusing this with "capitalism bad except when people I like is doing it" arguments is just demonstrating how empty "liberal values" get when push comes to shove.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    Not unlike all the excuses we're seeing for genocide now that it's Biden shipping the bombs over to Israel.

    awesome_lowlander , (edited )

    Have yet to see anybody 'excusing' it. Everybody's just holding their noses and sticking with him because the alternative is convicted felon Trump.

    Maggoty ,

    Oh they straight up deny it's happening. Nobody tries to say it's a genocide and it's okay, they just deny it or deflect to talking about Trump.

    awesome_lowlander ,

    Trump is not a 'deflection' from Biden. Trump is the only alternative, and a much worse one for pretty much everybody on the planet, even if some don't realise it.

    Maggoty ,

    It is absolutely a deflection when we want Biden to stop participating in Genocide, to instead bring up Trump.

    baru ,

    That's not what was stated before.

    Maggoty , (edited )

    Then we're reading two different threads.

    Maggoty ,

    At the end of the day they're people too though. And this is music, not war. There's a pretty big gray area for "participating in capitalism does not equal approval of capitalism."

    masquenox ,

    There’s a pretty big gray area for “participating in capitalism does not equal approval of capitalism.”

    That only goes for the working class - the people who are forced to participate in capitalism. Not for filthy rich musicians.

    And this is music, not war.

    There is no aspect of our enforced existence under capitalism that is free from it's insidious influence - and that includes music.

    Railing5132 ,

    So we're just skipping the part about the execs treating themselves to a concert after many years of union busting, horrid working conditions, innumerable other abuses, and excluding the workers. But we're going to shit on the people they hired for a gig.

    Coolcoolcoolcoolcool.

    masquenox ,

    So we’re just skipping the part about the execs

    No... we actually talk about Amazon's shitfuckery a lot. Where have you been?

    Railing5132 ,

    I'm talking about the point of the article and you know it. Which is why I have you noted as "Bad Faith"

    masquenox ,

    Which is why I have you noted as “Bad Faith”

    As all the liberals festering around here does. I'll just throw this badge on the heap with the others, okay?

    batmanifesto ,

    and you know it.

    This is where you are wrong. You aren't commenting on the article.. You aren't even commenting on the post about the article. Your responding to a comment left on the post about the article.

    It's you that's arguing in bad faith here, or at least not recognising the context of what you're saying, presumably because you're too busy trying to get across your own point.

    I don't think your initial point about the criticism that should be levelled at Amazon is wrong (I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone on here that supports what Amazon have done), but that isn't to say that the Foo Fighters shouldn't be being criticised here.

    Both things can be true.

    But by responding to a comment that points out the band's faults with whatabouttery you're kind of coming across like you're defending the band whilst also ignoring all the other people saying the same thing you are. Then on top of that having a go at the OP when he points out other people are talking about the Amazon issue by saying you're clearly taking about the article.... If you're commenting on the article why are you replying to some other post?!

    Wogi ,

    That's actually their manager's business. Literally what they hire them for. And honestly, if you're going to fault them for performing a private venue for an Amazon event, you should also fault every artist that's ever performed in like, Vegas. Casinos have been bleeding people to death long before Amazon hit the scene.

    I'm not going to fault a performer for literally doing their job and taking a fat payday. I'd probably do the same in their shoes, anybody who insists otherwise isn't being honest with themselves.

    It's not like the rider said "play show at Amazon, these guys just laid a lot of people off and are screaming about budget cuts so they want you to play for the rest. Here's 4 million dollars."

    It probably said "corporate event for 6-10k people. Here's a check for 4 million dollars"

    TheFriar , (edited )

    So you’re arguing that selling out any supposed values you might have is fine as long as the check is big enough.

    Foo Fighters are a huge band. They aren’t at the whims of some all powerful manager. And Amazon’s crimes are not new, they’re not obscure information. They’re incredibly well known, frequently discussed, and go hand in hand with the mention of Amazon. They knew what they were doing, who they were doing it for.

    Now, if you want to discuss the power that record labels and their business relationships hold and their contracts with the bands they produce, that’s a possible explanation for this. But we’re talking about aging millionaire white guys. Chances are, they had veto power, knew what they were doing and probably could’ve accepted a monetary fine from the record company for defying a contract obligation if that’s why they were being forced to do it. And, honestly, probably would’ve leaked that information, gotten a ton of great press, maybe gotten into a public dispute with the record label if they chose to speak out about it, and then cashed in on that.

    But, like you said, they did it for a fat paycheck. They didn’t stick up for the well-documented abused workers of Amazon while cashing in on it — “virtue signaling,” as people say. They decided to do this. For money. From Amazon executives.

    And that’s…not better.

    The fact that this comes at the end of typical corporate purse string tightening at the expense of workers is really just the steaming shit nugget on top of this diarrhea sundae.

    Wogi ,

    I'm arguing that you're villainising the wrong people.

    TheFriar ,

    And that was me telling you your assumption of who’s at fault was way off the mark.

    They’re rockstars. They knew what they were doing and made the choice themselves.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Sure but the biggest pushback I’ve really seen tbh was by a dude who eventually revealed he’s just ranting about cancel culture. He doesn’t even like Grohl. So certainly not a liberal lol

    tearsintherain ,
    @tearsintherain@leminal.space avatar

    FF (fuck 'em) whoring themselves for Amazon execs isn't the main story here. It's the disgusting exploitation of labor for profits. Organized destruction of unions and workers rights had made this tale an everyday, everywhere occurrence. Long ago there was a time when the news would report about main street and wall street as being more intertwined. Today their well being is in opposite directions. From symbiotic to parasitic.

    It seems to prefer coercion as a method to keep people producing rather than inspiring them and earning their best.

    Ambush style layoffs remove the feeling of safety, making people desperate to prove they shouldn’t be next. With this approach, Amazon embraces a timelessly blood-curdling rationale: nothing concentrates the mind like a credible threat.

    Annual attrition targets for a fixed percentage of people every year create a survival mentality. No one wants to be the slowest gazelle when the lion comes around again, so everyone runs faster. Classic coercion.

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