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MeekerThanBeaker ,

This is just for Home edition, yeah? Pretty sure Professional still allows you to create offline accounts without a Microsoft account before joining a domain.

catloaf ,

I tried not too long ago and had issues. I don't know if they hid it somewhere else, or removed it, but I ended up installing using a different method.

MeekerThanBeaker ,

I do know they made it a pain in the ass to find the last time I built a computer, but I did eventually find it... though things may have changed in recent weeks.

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

Last time I tried (a couple days ago) there was no way around creating an MS account without using the command line and cutting off Internet.

Peffse ,

Last time I tried it let me create a local account, then about a week later I got called because Windows threw a full-screen blocker on boot saying a Microsoft account was required to continue with "I'll do it later" being greyed out. Oddly enough, ALT+F4 worked to close it and continue.

sukhmel ,

Ahah, no, I installed Professional edition a couple of months ago and I needed to do the OOBE/something-somethinNO to proceed with the install

Intel network card also helped because it didn't work out of the box and I really had no internal other than mobile

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

before joining a domain.

You do it essentially while joining the domain. If you hit the "work" option instead of "home" it immediately goes to a "sign into your domain" screen.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Huh? What if you're installing windows on a machine with no internet connection? Which is an entirely normal legitimate thing to do. It's not a requirement after all.

I have a number of machines that use a local account, they don't need a Microsoft account and will never be linked to one, it's unnecessary.

JustARegularNerd ,

I had to do exactly this for a family friend in his 70s, it was a fucking nightmare. I think ultimately I caved and hotspotted it to my phone just long enough for it to be happy, and disconnected it while it was still loading the sign up page so it fell back to local account creation (at the time I didn't know about a@a or bypassnro)

sachabe ,

There's this workaround that works well :
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

It's definitely not for lambda users and a real pity that we have to resort to this, but it does the job (for now).

k_rol ,

They have an official workaround(which is just a stupid complicated way but that's still working). The one from OP is just a custom workaround some random found. Others pointed to the actual workaround in the comments.

Bahnd ,

For W10 you can still do offline installs with the media creation tool and telling it you dont have an internet connection, for W11 even enterprise users are all tied into autopilot, Intune MDM, and/or a microsoft account. I do not believe there is a method to install W11 without an internet connection and account. If there some some way to get the install tools to do that, I dont know what it is, and I do IT for a job...

Honestly, making the switch to linux full time is not that bad. Every tool, utility and program other than the most niche propriatary applications have a FOSS variant, and it is starting to sound like a bad relationship when people wait for MS to make a policy, change or product that isnt comedicly evil...

Just break up... If you need to talk at the hivemind of the internet for advice, we got ya.

gears ,

You can use shift+f10 and type OOBE\\BYPASSNRO

BigDanishGuy ,

W11 even enterprise users are all tied into autopilot, Intune MDM, and/or a microsoft account

The "win 11 business editions 23h2" iso that I got from visualstudio.com yesterday, did no more than the usual amount of crap to make it difficult to find the "join a domain instead", allowing me to make a local user.

Strepto ,
@Strepto@sh.itjust.works avatar
  • Install Windows 11
  • "Sign in with your MS account"
  • Click Sign-in options
  • Domain join
  • It allows you to continue to the local account setup
  • Doesn't force completion of domain join
Netrunner ,
@Netrunner@programming.dev avatar

Glad I use Arch.

Many years of windows. No longer my problems.

Jahuffine ,

I use Arch too btw

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

I'm joyed to use Gentoo

FiniteBanjo ,

Can you still skip connecting to internet?

BunnyKnuckles ,
@BunnyKnuckles@startrek.website avatar

Don't connect to internet, Shift f10 to bring up command prompt, oobe/bypassnro, wait for restart, click I don't have internet, make local account. Did it today.

tomkatt ,

The fact this is even necessary makes me want to shit a brick.

"Do you want to make an online account?" No.
"Okay, please set up your local account."

That should be it. And honestly, even that's egregious to me. Signing into online bullshit should be opt-in, not opt-out. Thank goodness I don't use Windows anymore, finally wiped the last Windows machine in my house this past week.

blind3rdeye ,

Microsoft's insidious insistence on online accounts is the main reason I stopped using Windows. Even with a local Windows account, one time I accidentally opened Edge, and it started automatically importing browser info from Firefox and then syncing it to the Microsoft account that I was using for MS Office. From my point of view, that was some extreme bullshit. Too much to tolerate. I didn't want Edge to import anything from anywhere - no matter how 'convenient and easy' it is. and I certainly didn't want it to upload anything - no matter what assurances of 'privacy and security' are claimed. And until that point, I thought accounts for individual apps could be keep isolated to just that app.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

They have to go through all these gymnastics because otherwise, there is no compelling reason for any given user to create a Microsoft account just to use their damn computer. So they resort to trickery, nagging, and now tacitly trying to force the issue. Most users don't know any better so they'll just click "ok" on whatever pops up in their faces when they first power on their new PC and take the first thing that's offered, which in this case is to sign up for a Microsoft account and tie your entire identity to it. Non-nerds don't know the difference between that and a local account, and that's dangerous.

It's become normalized that in order to use any given device or software you're expected to set up Yet Another Online Account, and that normalization is dangerous, too. I actively try to avoid such things but it's becoming harder and harder as time goes on.

TheGrandNagus ,

Damn windows seems really complicated.

Zeoic ,

You can also just select the "for work or school" option, then it lets you make a local account because it assumes you will domain join it later, which you dont need to do.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Last time I tried this it immediately demanded I enter my domain credentials (which I don't have, because I don't run an Active Directory domain at home) and wouldn't proceed without any. So I had to fall back on the disconnect-from-the-internet song and dance.

Zeoic ,

Just a couple weeks ago I installed it for a friend and there was a domain join later button

rozodru ,

yes. when you get the the part of the installation that requires an internet connection just hit shift+f10 to open a command prompt and type OOBE\BYPASSNRO and then you can finish setting up without an internet connection.

I've always done this instead of the bypass email thing. THEN once you install win11 do yourself a favor and install Revi. totally makes the OS 10x better. removes all the bloatware, edge, copilot, ads, etc.

FiniteBanjo ,

TBH I'm not going to install Windows 11, but back in Windows 10 you didn't even have to open the command prompt.

Anonymousllama ,

They're really trying their best to make windows as unfriendly as possible, pretty annoying when they've already been paid, bunch of pricks

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

So glad I'm a Linux user..

Appoxo ,

Nothing new.

How is seemingly everybody blind to the actual workaround but "knows" about a supposed "bypass" email??

Actual solution/workaround: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/set-up-windows-11-without-internet-oobebypassnro/4fc44554-b416-4ecb-8961-6f79fd55ae0f

Voroxpete ,

It won't be long before they block that too. I really wouldn't put it past them to just say "Fuck it, no internet, no computer."

fne8w2ah ,

The Kingdom of Torvalds becomes more and more attractive for Windows refugees every day.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Torvalds is King and Stallman is Priest of Holy GNUism

SoleInvictus ,

I did my part and am now a vassal of Lord Torvalds.

rc_buggy ,

No vassals, you are landed gentry. You own your machine now.

Womble ,

... The gentry were vasals, thats kinda the whole deal of feudalism.

rc_buggy ,

oh. hmm

alphapuggle ,

I have and use a Microsoft account. I would always setup my computer offline because I don't want my home folder to be called "myema"il@email.com

Seriously who thought that was a good idea? Your account literally has your name tied to it, call it that!

Imgonnatrythis ,

I just checked with a bunch of corporate entities and they ALL agree this was a great idea so it seems you are the odd one out that thinks it's not a good idea perhaps.

kayos ,

OOBE\BYPASSNRO FTW

pineapplelover ,

Airplane mode. Don't connect to internet

sukhmel ,

Then you can't proceed at all, and the error message doesn't even explain it

SpaceNoodle ,

For me, that bypassed the email account linking altogether.

sukhmel ,

I can assume that the region may make a difference

SpaceNoodle ,

This was in Seattle.

sukhmel ,

Mine was in the EU, and with a language restricted version, too

Cyth ,

I believe this does not work for Home. You can bypass it in Pro like this though. Unless something has changed I am not aware of.

muntedcrocodile ,

U can just open cmd and run a command or Evan better use tiny11 and the activator program that way u dont even need to pay the assholes

bear ,
@bear@slrpnk.net avatar

People really be out here preloading their computer with viruses to get around Microsoft's latest bullshit instead of just using Linux, we ain't never gonna have the Year of the Linux Desktop

deadcream ,

we ain't never gonna have the Year of the Linux Desktop

Yes, but at this point you can't even blame Microsoft for this. Maybe the issue lies elsewhere?

czech ,

Why can't we blame Microsoft?

bear ,
@bear@slrpnk.net avatar

That's where you're wrong, buddy. It's actually very easy to blame Microsoft for holding a decades-long desktop monopoly by pushing manufacturers to include Windows on every PC out of the box.

muntedcrocodile ,

I need an os for my vms. And thankfully u can disable internet.

slurpinderpin ,

Yeah I forgot the exact process but I just used cmd and got around this when I built my current machine a couple years ago

SteefLem ,
@SteefLem@lemmy.world avatar

So am i missing something (yes well definitely but still)? You need an online account to login to windows. So if im somewhere where there is no internet i just cant login to my w11 laptop? I cant use my laptop.. wow. I havent touched windows in a long time but still. Thats gotta be nice for ppl that are always on the road for work. Damn.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

This is about the setup process

johannesvanderwhales ,

I can say that in the case of enterprise windows setups, the system caches your login credentials if it can't reach the domain controller, so that you can still log in even if you're not on the corporate network. I imagine it does similar for windows accounts (but I never use one so I can't say for sure).

TheTimeKnife ,
@TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, exactly the feature I wanted. An account that Microsoft can link its spyware too. I'm sure that database won't be sold or stolen.

StaySquared ,

Wow.. it's like Microsoft really does want to lose customers. Welp.. I guess I have to find a linux distro as my main driver. Ubuntu seems so damn user friendly and "mainstream" I might just stick to that. I'd play around with ArchLinux or Fedora, but fkin lol at a noob trying to setup either one through terminal/commands.

bizzle ,
@bizzle@lemmy.world avatar

If Ubuntu works for you then by all means use it, but if you're a computer guy already installing Arch the long way isn't that hard and they even have an install script now.

StaySquared ,

Oh nice! I think it was around 2018 when I attempted to install Arch. I'll check it out again sometime this week.

jsqribe ,

Or just use one of the forks like EndeavourOS which takes away all that work.

StaySquared ,

Noted!

PenisWenisGenius ,

If you haven't found one you like yet, consider trying Debian. It's basically the same as Ubuntu, everything works the same on Debian as in Ubuntu but it's better because of less bloat.

Due to a slower update schedule, it may be worse at steam proton gaming than arch or something with a rolling release because that stuff heavily depends on how up to date your mesa or Nvidia drivers are. I can play everything except Starfield on my Ubuntu 22.04 laptop pretty much.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s the thing, they have such a monopoly, they are sort of impervious to losing customers. That trope is long dead. The belief that a mega corp can be dethroned thru sales hasn’t been a thing for nearly 20 years. MS has a monopoly on personal computers. The only they don’t control is mobile (and likely never will). But when it comes to desktop and laptops, they are untouchable.

GamingChairModel ,

they have such a monopoly

The major weakness in their desktop OS market dominance isn't from other desktop OSes. MacOS, ChromeOS, and traditional desktop Linux distros prevent Windows from being a total monopoly, but there's no doubt that Windows has quite a bit of market power.

The real competitive threat to Windows is from people who decide to not use a desktop computer at all. Between tablets and phones, there are a lot of people who no longer feel the need to have a laptop or desktop at all, for personal use.

And on that front, Windows being shittier than phones and tablets will cause people to slow down their upgrade cycle and maybe avoid using a traditional personal computer at all.

BeMoreCareful ,

But all businesses will have to buy office 365 subscriptions

Avatar_of_Self ,

You set up Fedora desktop distros with a GUI installer.

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