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Music Piracy Is Back, Baby

"Muso, a research firm that studies piracy, concluded that the high prices of streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music are pushing people back towards illegal downloads. Spotify raised its prices by one dollar last year to $10.99 a month, the same price as Apple Music. Instead of coughing up $132 a year, more consumers are using websites that rip audio straight out of YouTube videos, and convert them into downloadable MP3 or .wav files.

Roughly 40% of the music piracy Muso tracked was from these “YouTube-to-MP3” sites. The original YouTube-to-MP3 site died from a record label lawsuit, but other copycats do the same thing. A simple Google search yields dozens of blue links to these sites, and they’re, by far, the largest form of audio piracy on the internet."

The problem isn't price. People just don't want to pay for a bad experience. What Apple Music and Spotify have in common is that their software is bloated with useless shit and endlessly annoying user-hostile design. Plus Steve Jobs himself said it back in 2007: "people want to own their music." Having it, organizing it, curating it is half the fun. Not fun is pressing play one day and finding a big chunk of your carefully constructed playlist is "no longer in your library." Screw that.

esc27 ,

I doubt spotify's small price increase mattered as much as the big increase in overall living expenses. If the choice is between paying for services like spotify or paying rent, then it is a lot easier to pirate music than housing.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don't know, waiting for the day your favorite tracker goes down unexpectedly and either never comes back or is replaced by an FBI seizure warning is at least kind of like waiting for the day the cops finally show up to kick you out of the building you have been squatting in.

AnonWyo ,

I agree conceptually. Experientially, I would say losing housing (legally occupied or not) is far more dramatic and life changing than being inconvenienced over the loss of a torrent tracker.

Source: In my drinking, I've found myself homeless (due to choices I made, no doubt). Wildly, losing access to torrents (which I've also done) is somewhat less consequential than being on the streets.

KpntAutismus ,

i'm a big fan of music streaming, the way i listen to music only really works with a discovery algorithm. but the way streaming services and labels have been unnecesarily fucking over the customer as well as the artist is getting ridiculous.

qobuzz could be a possible alternative, with them providing FLACs and/or CD quality tracks to purchase and download, but also having a subscription plan. they say more money is going to the artist. the only thing missing is the algorithm.

go ahead, tell me i'm "corrupted by capitalism" or whatever. this is the way i want to do it. there's no point in building up a collection worth hundreds and thousands of euros now, apart from FLACs being gigantic files and taking up all of the storage on my phone. plus i would cut myself off from being able to discover good artists the way i'm used to.

deranger ,

the way i listen to music only really works with a discovery algorithm

People have been listening to music without an algorithm for hundreds of years. Even digitally, algorithms for discovery are fairly new. What’s so different about how you listen to music?

KpntAutismus ,

i have more than 10 playlists for different genres and occasions, the ""smart"" shuffle helps pad those out since otherwise the playlist would be like 20 songs long.

the recommended songs at the bottom are often pretty bad, but for every 10 shitty songs there's one worth adding to the list.

occasionally i also listen to full albums, often only from bands i really really like.

i get that spotify influenced how i do it, and i don't have a problem if people do it differently. but an algorithm is a major plus for any music platform (from my perspective)

i probably won't start pirating music, but if spotify continues to enshittify itself i'm gonna have to look for alternatives.

deranger ,

I get it. I really enjoyed Spotify’s recommendations, but I had to quit as part of my “fuck streaming” pledge. My questions were genuine, I hope they didn’t come off as antagonistic.

I switched to Plex / Plexamp, and I have to say whatever algorithm they’ve implemented has greatly helped me discovery things in my local library. It does a great job at “vibe mixing”, by that I mean you’re not going to shuffle from rock to classical to electronic. It’s even nailed some transitions that were both beat- and keymatched.

Might be more than you’re willing to undertake, but it allowed me to drop the Spotify sub.

1050053 ,

I'm kinda waiting for this bad boy to come out so I can put into it all the songs I legally acquired all these years...

ominouslemon ,

They don't want a bad experience so they use shady websites to download music in the shittiest possibile quality? I don't buy it.

People are just not able to afford what they want, that's it

MajorHavoc ,

People tend to respond to whether something is getting better or worse, more than whether it's objectively good.

Like virtually any community software, the piracy experience is getting better, but usually quite slowly.

But thanks to needless DRM, price hikes, and skimping on mobile app development, streaming services are actually somehow getting worse.

flintheart_glomgold OP ,

shady websites

There are no innocents here. There' s a case to be made that nothing is more shady for consumers than the mass data harvesting, profiling, brokering and content shaping that flows from using Facebook, Twitter, Amazon or TikTok

shittiest possible quality

You're doing it wrong

EtherWhack ,
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

The quality is much better than you think. Most people also don't have the acute hearing of audio technologist to determine if a song is 192kbps or FLAC without hearing them back-to-back repeatedly or would care much. It's also why terrestrial radio is still a thing. People tend to either want full control of their library or just want something to listen to all without having to deal with an unfriendly interface.

CrayonRosary ,

Don't use shady sites. Use yt-dlp.

Nima ,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

is there an android version?

fakeman_pretendname ,

If you use the NewPipe android app to watch youtube, you can download directly from there, as video or audio, in a selection of formats.

step6672 ,

Or you could use some app like InnerTune and listen to YouTube Music content without ads.

Octopus1348 ,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

Or you could install YTDLnis and (optionally) ReVanced, then click the download icon in the video box and you can download it in any other format.

Nima ,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

... I didn't even realize. that's amazing. thank you!

nailoC5 ,

Seal is a yt-dlp frontend

ShepherdPie ,

It's like a kiss from a rose on the grave.

Nima ,
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

hell yes. thank you.

CrayonRosary ,

I wasn't aware of that. That's neat. It can be found on F-Droid and Droid-ify.

notasandwich1948 ,

it's what I use, works great

CrayonRosary , (edited )

It's a Python command line program, so yes. I use Termux (a Linux terminal emulator), and I installed yt-dlp using pip, a package manager for Python. I also have ffmpeg for command line video editing on my phone.

I have it setup such that when I click "Share" on a URL from Firefox or YouTube, and I choose Termux as the receiving app, I am presented with a menu that let's me choose if I want the video saved to a normal folder or a hidden folder (for reasons), or if I want to download just the audio and save it to an MP3. yt-dlp can download from much more than just YouTube.

The script is just a bash script with a specific name in a specific folder that Termux knows to invoke when sent a URL. You can do anything you want with such a script.

Only get Termux from F-Droid or Droid-ify. Not from the Play Store. The Play Store version is way out of date.

Like the other person said, Newpipe can also download from YouTube. It's a YouTube front-end that scrapes the public HTML website for YouTube. You can also download that from F-Droid or Droid-ify.

Oh, and another person mentioned Seal, which is a yt-dlp front-end for Android. It's pretty great! I just installed it. As usual, it's on F-Droid and Droid-ify.

NotPersonal ,

but yt audio quality is terrible.

the_third ,

yt-dlp can use your browser cookies for YT premium and therefore YT music. That's 256kBit/s AAC, it's okay.

kent_eh ,

but yt audio quality is terrible.

So are the bluetooth speakers and ear buds that most people use to listen to music these days.

Mango ,

That's why we gotta give them the chance for good audio!

Bonesince1997 ,

I have a dream...

psycho_driver ,

So are the bluetooth speakers and ear buds that most people use to listen to music these days.

Heretic! Nothing that my Lord and Savior Apple bestows upon the unwashed is less than divine!

filcuk ,

LDAC codec seems enough for me to tell the difference for music i know in high-rez, and I don't like it.
I do have good quality android player and wired, but pointless to use with Spotify.

NotPersonal ,

fair point.

scarilog ,

Most people can't tell the difference between low bitrate vs high bitrate. Usually just confirmation bias.

Have you truly tested whether you can? I don't mean playing each side by side and seeing whether you can tell the difference, but actually testing yourself in a way that you don't know which is being played (like having someone else play it for you).

Trollception ,

Maybe you can't, what headphones/avr setup do you have?

Octopus1348 ,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

Then use a Spotify downloader. I had one but forgot the name of it.

FrameXX , (edited )

It's very fine unless you decide you just must and have to convert that audio to MP3 (the audio loses quality with every lossy compression), because you are an old boomer and other formats scare you even though almost all modern device can play OPUS or at least M4A or you are one of those people who call themselves "Audiophiles" to feel more special, but wouldn't recognize a shit if I played OPUS 192kbps on their 2000$ home audio setup instead of the 24 bit uncompressed FLAC that has over 30MB in size each. I have most of my library from YT Music which is ~128kbps OPUS and it has been transparent on all audio devices I have played it till now.

NotPersonal ,

Look, we all have bad days, but there's no need to be so aggressive to random people online.
Everyone's hearing is different. Some people are more sensitive to certain sounds than others. I tried youtube, spotify and tidal. And youtube is the audio quality I disliked the most.
Just for clarification. I'm not a boomer, I'm a millenial, I work in computer science so I enjoy testing new formats. I have tried everything from atrac (sony) to DSD, I don't have a $2000 home audio setup but I have a couple of decent pairs of cans, with mid-range DAC and amps. And I have tested multiple audio formats at different levels of compression and bitrate to find what I like the most. To me 128kbps feels like listening to the radio over the phone. If that's enough for you, then great, more power to you. No need to be disrespectful.

FrameXX ,

I am sorry. I went to a little rant, but I meant it rather funny even though I realize it feels aggressive 🤣. I am just enthusiastic about this topic even though I don't know that much.

turkalino ,
@turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

- typed on a vacuum tube keyboard

RobotToaster ,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

Pretty sure revanced has a download option too.

moitoi ,
@moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You need a third app like newpipe to download. But, it works fine in youtube and youtube music.

JackGreenEarth ,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

I'm not even able to put music on my watch unless it's a mp3, so paying to stream music is out of the question.

sucricdrawkcab ,
@sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world avatar

Piracy creates an endless loop of artists taking advances and eventually losing royalties. That's just what I've seen growing up in the music /film/ TV industry and briefly working in both. Screw labels and Spotify but go support artists and actually buy stuff.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Screw labels and Spotify but go support artists and actually buy stuff.

This is the way.

metaStatic ,

Artists have never made much on sales anyway. Go to shows.

“It’s my understanding that I had over 80 million streams on Spotify this year, So, if I’m doing the math right that means I earned $12. Enough to get myself a nice sandwich at a restaurant. So, from the bottom of my heart, thanks for your support, and thanks for the sandwich.” - Weird Al

MonsiuerPatEBrown ,

buy swag from their web presence if you are old and your ears can't do live shows no more.

soundsyndicate ,

Noise attenuating earbuds are a game changer, haven't gone home with ringing ears since I started using them.

ShepherdPie ,

Those are called earplugs.

MonkeMischief ,

Go to shows.

Ticketmaster has kicked in the doors of the chat, and secured every exit with burly goons.

ShepherdPie ,

Fucking dirtbags. They were recently forced to lump all their fees into the ticket price so their new tactic is to tack on fake taxes when purchasing tickets. I recently bought some for a festival through a ticketmaster subsidiary (to a venue owned by ticketmaster) and they charged me $33 in taxes on the purchase. The thing is, I live in Oregon where we don't have any sales tax. I wrote both them and the promoter asking about it and they gave me some bullshit excuse about them being "state and local taxes" (venue is in rural Washington) even though that's not how it works when it comes to purchases nor are there any local taxes in that area. The rate they charged me doesn't even match the WA sales tax rate.

Trollception ,

This is still making them a significant amount of money regardless of Ticketmaster.

sucricdrawkcab ,
@sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world avatar

No they don't. I don't have a problem with let me listen to this to see if I should buy it. That's totally understandable. People who just do it to get everything free is what I have a problem with. If you really like the work find a way to support them because those numbers open doors to bigger opportunities.

Totally agree on the show's and I've seen some big name artists at small shows randomly. Also some really good merchandise.

BearOfaTime ,

Seems like advances exited long before piracy was a significant thing. Though I'm sure piracy does contribute to the imbalance like you describe.

I don't mind paying artists for work that I like. Hell, I've bought much of my collection 3 times now: LP, cassette, CD. I never bought MP3s - just ripped them myself. All my CDs are in storage, which is dark, cool, and dry.

I'm pretty sure the distributors kept most of that money.

And that's where the bulk of the problem lies: the power brokers that have always tried to control production and distribution.

And that goes back a long way. I know I'm being repetitive, but Payola has been around a long time, and rather indicative of the state of media production. It's not like these ideas left just because someone got busted... They just learned new ways to accomplish the same goals of controlling the media marketplace without getting caught.

rjthyen ,

So what is the best way to actually own music? I miss having a physical file I could put wherever and listen to anywhere, but haven't resorted to pirating anything since limewire

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Bandcamp first, if you can pay for what you want and then, surprisingly, still Soulseek.

IndiBrony ,
@IndiBrony@lemmy.world avatar

I started using Soulseek nearly 20 years ago. Throughout my life I have seen p2p sharing platforms disappear one by one. But Soulseek? I'm amazed every day that I use it and discover that it's still alive. It is the eternal soldier that continues the fight to this day.

Amusingly there are a few search terms which come up blank, but just throw in alternative key words and all is fine. I discovered this when searching Franz Ferdinand came up with none of their music!

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Bandcamp was sold off. I stopped buying off them on that day.

StrawberryPigtails ,

For obtaining music, I check Bandcamp, then Amazon (they have drm free mp3s of most music and cds for everything else), then the artist site if available, then finally I look in the seas.

As for the best way to store and play the music back, I’ve put everything on my Jellyfin instance and then stream the media to my devices. On iOS, FinAmp is a decent music player for this setup.

paddirn ,

Did it ever go away?

GeekFTW ,
@GeekFTW@kbin.social avatar

Not in the slightest. Even with the last decade of 'pfft, why pirate when we have Spotify?!1' dialogues, music piracy never slowed down for a moment.

Mango ,

Fuck YouTube rips. V0 for life!

GreatBlueHeron ,

I'm in the process of replacing all my mp3 (including a lot of V0 and 320) with FLAC. I know that most of the time I can't tell the difference, but I did some testing and in some scenarios with some music I could tell. And, at the size of music files, disk is cheap.

IndiBrony ,
@IndiBrony@lemmy.world avatar

To me, using FLAC files is like using a bay leaf in cooking. You can't always tell the difference, but you can always FEEL the difference.

Oderus ,
@Oderus@lemmy.world avatar

Great analogy

SuperSpruce , (edited )

If I download music, I have access to a larger music library, the ability to change the pitch, speed, and equalizer of the music, and the freedom to choose the player that I want. Can't do that with a streaming service.

I try to support artists if I can still download the music in a DRM-free file. Just this week I made a purchase, and late last year I bought an album and a midi file to support two artists.

And this is for personal listening. I make sure to follow royalty laws and attribute the artist when the music ends up in something I publish to the Internet.

Joelk111 ,

For anyone who's a music enthusiast, having the files makes more sense. Poweramp is a way better experience than Spotify or YT Music. I loved being able to set the EQ on an album or song basis.

That said, YT Music comes with YT premium, and I'm lazy, so I do that for now. I also haven't got much of a commute right now, so I don't listen to music near as much.

Kecessa ,

PowerAmp is the only thing I found that could replace Google Music in my heart!

trslim ,

Me, still using youtube-mp3 website

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I wanna know what is so different from my experience with Spotify. Because as far as enshittification goes, it hasn't really changed since I first began using it almost a decade ago aside from the price going up a little last year. I mean, I constantly see people saying it has ads even with premium but I have not once ever heard a single ad for anything, even for Spotify's own services on the platform, that was put there by Spotify and not simply already in a podcast that would be there from any source of listening to said podcast.

Maybe it's because most of the artists I like are fuckin dead so their shit never gets removed 🤷🏻‍♂️

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Yeah I've been using Spotify for about 15 years now, since i first had to pretend I was German to access it. It along with Steam have always been the only two services I'm happy to pay for with zero issues.

As far as my experience has gone, nothing has changed for the worse in all that time.

ShepherdPie ,

Agreed. I'm a frequent sailor of the high seas with TV and movies but I actually pay for a Spotify family plan because it's so convenient and I love the features they have like being able to use my phone app to cast music to any available nearby source or having a party and allowing multiple people to input songs to a shared playlist. I do encounter frequent bugs with all their updates but that hasn't risen above the level of mild annoyance yet.

Pirating music is such a pain in the ass these days since there is no standard naming conventions like with TV and movies and there can be multiple sources for the same song (single, album, compilation album, web rip, etc) so even tools like Lidarr don't make it easy and most public/private torrent trackers are pretty sparse when it comes to music outside of the most mainstream of mainstream albums.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Pirating music is such a pain in the ass these days since there is no standard naming conventions like with TV and movies

Things haven't changed much since the days of Limewire and Kazaa in that regard. I remember when System of a Down did that Zelda song! 😂

Buddahriffic ,

That one got properly labeled when I was going through a "add all the data" phase. The Rabbit Joint turns out to be the ones that made it, but that singer did sound a lot like Serj.

ShepherdPie ,

Back in those days there was a lot of options which meant you could typically find what you're looking for with the right search terms and knowing what to avoid so you didn't download an MP3 of Bill Clinton talking about Lewinski. Its definitely a lot more challenging these days since the quantity of files is lower while naming hasn't gotten any better.

XeroxCool ,

I haven't enjoyed possessing music since my phone replaced my ipod. Maybe I didn't try hard enough, but the seamless* updating of my library and playlists on iTunes and iPod was great. The poor format of the music I did pirate off limewire wasn't as big a deal - partly from the smooth UI of iTunes, partly due to lower music acquisition. I say seamless* because it was problematic when my iPods got full, having to cull the library, but I do beleive it was simple enough to drag selections and individual playlists.

But now what? I don't have a program to load my pc and phone, I never liked what I found for music management on windows, as you said formatting isn't consistent on torrents, and my phones fill with pictures faster than music. So, in comes Spotify. Anything I want on a whim, shared playlists, I do enjoy not storing music myself, the social aspect of public playlists, and an option to store things offline. It's similar reasons Netflix curtailed my pirating. But, as a warning to Spotify, if music streaming services break up content like Netflix, I won't wait to cancel my subscription. That'll be my push to start whatever suggestions I imagine I'll get here in the replies

Appoxo ,

Getting back to CDs after about 10 year hiatus.
Discogs is usually very neat.

BigPotato ,

I mean, you just have to learn everything mp3 formats and go pass the What.cd test and you're good.

ShepherdPie ,

What.cd shut down almost a decade ago.

LainTrain ,

Are there standard naming conventions for movies and TV? Where?

ShepherdPie ,

Yes, pretty much everywhere which is why you see files named something like: Forrest.Gump.1994.1080p.Bluray.DTS-MA.5.1.mkv. Movies and TV have databases like TVDB and TMDB which don't really exist for music. There are things like MusicBrainz but it's a crapshoot in my experience.

nevetsg ,

Spotify was OK back when I used it after Google Music died. YouTube Music's algorithm sucked so I used Spotify for about a year. Then I installed Plex for movies and TV but also found it was also great at streaming music. PlexAmp gives me access to a good suggestion algorithm. I made the decision to give them my $$ instead.
Now with lidarr+scripts I can have any music I want with almost zero effort. Plus, as the OP said, I get the fun little side hobby of music curation.

GhostTheToast ,

I'm curious about where you find your music. When I looked into an indexer for music ~3 years ago, it was slim pickings. I recently found that there a method to download from Spotify, but haven't had a chance to try it out

BigPotato ,

Even the Spotify downloaders are meh. I get so many errors on the few I've tried.

If you get any good recommendations, let me know.

nevetsg ,

Not sure if you mean find recommendations of new stuff to listen to, or the download source?
Recommendations from Last.fm
Download source is currently Deezer. Lidarr+ scripts has a bit of a learning curve
https://github.com/RandomNinjaAtk/arr-scripts

LainTrain ,

Man piracy is so complex nowadays with this script and Plex stuff, all I know is downloading .flac of albums from rutracker haha no docker container home server required

Black_Gulaman ,
@Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I second this. Once I see plex and lidar and self hosting . My attention wanders. Then snap back and my mind says "torrents, got it. Thanks"

nevetsg ,

Torrents are all well and good until you want an album from more than a couple of years ago.

My current workflow. Find a band that I like. Add it to lidarr. Wait 10min. All of their albums are in Plex and can be streamed from anywhere in the world.

Spuddlesv2 ,

Really? Their made-for-you playlists are nowhere near as good as they used to be. The discover playlist is now ass. Radio plays the same 20 songs over and over and over again.

Right now the app is suggesting a Classical Piano playlist to me. I have never listened to classical piano. Ever. Most recently I’ve listened to Tool, Rage Against the Machine and a 90’s metal playlist (I’m on a 90’s kick). Why on earth would it think I want classical piano?

Proof! https://imgur.com/gallery/e0N5sE3

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Possibly because some of those bands are influenced by classical music (though I mean it's rather broad; you could probably trace most musical influences back to the classical period).

I listen to the same kinda shit as your most recent stuff and I don't have much issue with most suggestions. I don't really like the modern pop stuff, but I still get why it serves it up (most of the best 90's alternative stuff was technically pop and I like one Taylor Swift song).

Spuddlesv2 ,

If only it were that clever. I think it’s because their algorithm sees: person listens to 90’s music so person = old, old people like classical piano.

In the same way that I very occasionally play Jason Isbell and after I do so it starts throwing yeehaw-big trucks-and-gurls-in-cutoff-shorts country music at me for months afterwards.

Passerby6497 ,

person listens to 90’s music so person = old, old people like classical piano.

Oh fuck my hip, 90s is old now?

Spuddlesv2 ,

I died inside when I saw stuff I listened to in high school on “classic rock” playlists.

raynethackery ,

Wait until it hits "soft rock."

Plopp ,

I died when I saw my old video game console in a museum.

ThePowerOfGeek ,
@ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world avatar

"Radio plays the same 20 songs over and over and over again. "

So just like traditional radio stations then. ☹️

I swear, we are stuck in a loop where shitty solutions just get reinvented over and over again. And most times when sometime comes up with a genuine improvement, those in power say "oh no no no! That won't do!" and kill it. I'm Gen-X and it's been this way all my life. And probably for many generations before that too.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I have a slightly different suggestion.

Inflation is crap and the first thing to go are subscriptions that raise their prices when people are already hurting. If you want retention, keep your prices locked when users are having bad times and you're raking in record profits.

I think curation is great too, but I also think age plays a lot into individual views. A bunch of the younger guys at work were saying how they didn't want playlists and they didn't want to listen to an album, they just wanted to hit a button that knew their tastes musically and would give them a mix of familiar likes and new discoveries. The proceeded to describe a radio station to me, sans commercials. They were hot on all the music streaming and though I was crazy for wanting to spend time sorting through music.

Looking at a Spotify by age graph, the boomers dig it (because it's easy?), Gen-Z and the Younger Millennials dig it, Gen X has less than half the uptake of the other groups.

We were mixing our own tapes in our tweens and teens. We wired ourselves to find music, copy it and play it in the specific order we want.

or at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

daed ,

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight!

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I'm just here pondering. Might be as wrong as anyone.

Takumidesh ,

A radio station is a small selection of music curated by an individual and meant for the masses.

Modern music streaming has dynamically curated music from a nearly infinite source, it's really not the same.

Spuddlesv2 ,

Spotify tried to shove Doja Cat at me the other day. I have never ever EVER listened to anything that would even remotely suggest I would like Doja Cat. It may be infinite but there is still someone behind the scenes pushing particular songs and artists.

ScoopMcPoops ,

If you don't like the artist, then block them. It's not that hard. I blocked Travis Scott after he got those people killed at his concert and I haven't seen a single thing with him since.

Spuddlesv2 ,

On my iPhone it's 5 taps, which seems excessive but whatever. It's impossible to do when I'm driving, and also impossible from the Windows app (yes, really, the feature is not available - https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Desktop-Other-quot-Don-t-play-this-artist-quot-on-desktop/idi-p/5027612 )

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Sucks to have your radio stations. Mine rotates crap through all the time.

Funny story, when I started doing curation, I wanted to get a good list to start from. I looked at the API for Jack FM because I kind of like their mix.

I knew that there was going to be a substantial amount of repetition because you hear the same stuff a lot. Turns out there API doesn't have any limits on it. If you talk to the iHeartRadio API and ask it for 20,000 of the last played songs it'll give them to you.

I went back 3 years. Their entire roster was 600 songs. As I started pulling my own curation together from their list I noticed some things were absent. I noticed that some of the things that were on the same album and were arguably better songs weren't in the curation list. My guess is that whatever catalog they were licensed to pull from they only had a certain number of top hits. A lot of the stuff was the b side of the singles, It was probably a cost savings scenario.

Later on I decided I wanted some other collections to pull from so I started pulling serious XM stations and my local radio stations. Unfortunately for this phase of the date I had to collect for a long period of time so I don't have years of history. My local radio station had 6,000 unique songs played over the period of 1 and 3/4 years. Which I never would have guessed because again you just hear the same stuff over and over but it's confirmation bias.

Obviously it's nothing like the catalog Spotify has where you might hear two new things to every old thing. But there was a fair amount of discovery there. The whole concept of adding pop as it comes in you know.

HessiaNerd ,

Gen Xer here....

It didn't use to be this bad. The FCC (and ftc) dropped the bag (regulatory capture), letting clear channel gobble up stations.

When I was a kid had a couple great local stations back in the day. One was a highschool station that local bands could send in cassette tapes and they would play them on Tuesdays. They had a Mosh Monday curated by local metalhead kids/young adults (there was vocational training at the radio station in evening classes).

Even the commercial channels were better. Not great or anything, but they had a lot more variety.

mojofrododojo ,

i love going through my music library at times, it's a treat. and yeah, gen-x. strange breakdown....

Sinistar ,
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Inflation being a major cause is definitely on my mind, too. For the past decade basically everything has experimented with becoming a subscription service, and if people aren't doing so hot on their monthly budgets they're going to start looking for things to cut.

ThePowerOfGeek ,
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Man, your comment reminded me of mp3.com back in the early days of digital music.

It had a lot of up and coming bands on it. And it allowed users the ability to create their own curated 'radio stations'. You could compile hours of music from those artists and share it with the rest of the user base. And other users could recommend songs for inclusion in your station (which also helped you discover new bands).

I created a station that was getting some decent listening numbers, and I got some good recommendations from listeners (sometimes self-promotion, but that's okay).

Then one day it was all gone. Probably related to the backlash from the record industry caused by Napster (even though, I think, mp3.com had acquired rights from those artists?). Sad times.

That's what music streaming fused with social media should be about.

aesthelete ,

A bunch of the younger guys at work were saying how they didn’t want playlists and they didn’t want to listen to an album, they just wanted to hit a button that knew their tastes musically and would give them a mix of familiar likes and new discoveries.

That's Pandora... Eventually everything like this gets boring if you are interested in music instead of musak.

I get it though. Some people really aren't that interested in music and just want some background noise. That's probably even the majority of people, but I'm not sure it's entirely an age thing.

Qvest ,

Not fun is pressing play one day and finding a big chunk of your carefully constructed playlist is "no longer in your library."

this is exceptionally true from my experience with Spotify. I had downloaded a playlist that had a specific song. One day I went to play my locally downloaded playlist only to glance over it and see that the song was unavailable. I had the song downloaded. In my device and it still removed the song. No warnings, no nothing. Ever since, I downloaded everything locally and completely ditched Spotify. Fuck this scummy behaviour

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

I get your anger, but if they no longer have the license to play the song, they cannot allow you to play it, even if the file is on your device. I don't find it scummy in the least. You didn't own the file, you were renting it from Spotify.

AnAngryAlpaca ,

Yeah, I get what you are saying, but then it's imho dishonest Marketing, and the user expected something different when they signed up for the paid service. I think "renting" movies, tv shows or music is not something the user expects.

If they would advertise it as "pay us 20 Dollarinos a month, and you can listen to your favorite music for as long as we allow it and don't take it away from you!" they surely would never be popular...

Halcyon ,
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But that's what they advertise. Everybody knows that streaming music from Spotify doesn't mean owning the music there.

AnAngryAlpaca ,

Well if i would ask my boomer-parents or non-technical people, they would tell me that spotify is just like collecting CDs, and that you keep the stuff you paid for.

yamanii ,
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Whatever you say lawyer, now he's a pirate, nobody cares about the technicality.

Qvest ,

That's fair, but at least they could say something like "you can download our songs for as long as we allow it" and not "you can download your favourite songs and listen to them any time, anywhere" when that is only partially true, since, if someone has a playlist downloaded (still talking about personal experience) and they go offline for a long period of time, they can no longer play the songs and are required to get an internet connection only for spotify to audit and say "yeah you still have a valid subscription, you can still listen offline". It's not truly offline if I have to connect to the internet every once in a while.

Again, it's completely fair, but they could at least tell more than half-truths

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