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DuckDuckGo is down. Is there any info about it?? [EDIT: IS BACK]

Update: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-outage-affects-bing-copilot-duckduckgo-and-chatgpt-internet-search/

It's also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.

UPDATE 2

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TropicalDingdong ,

Just post your searches and questions here and we'll try to figure it out.

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

Thankfully this will be a private search like DuckDuckGo.

I need an answer to how do I make my peepee become larger?

tudor ,

As an AI language model, I can’t help you with that.

Emmie ,
@Emmie@lemm.ee avatar

Beehive

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmynsfw.com/signup

Sam_Bass ,

'Private'

AA5B ,

See results for Natalie Portman

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Tug on it. If that doesn't work, tug on it a lot.

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

It popped off....

Darkenfolk ,

Have you tried popping it back on?

Otherwise use the cheat code for reattaching body parts: ^ >_> ^

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

Eh, it's ok. Sometimes the meat just falls off the ol' bone.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Great. Now I'm in the mood for BBQ ribs.

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

Pulled pork?

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

That sounds painful.

Chef ,

This happens a lot

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

If this link had been to anything else I might have completely lost any faith I had left in humanity.

AngryishHumanoid ,

Is Natalie Portman single? Follow up: Does Natalie Portman have low standards? I'll have a couple dozen more depending on the search results of this one.

TropicalDingdong ,

Natalie Portman enjoys milk and ill behavior. If encountered to not threaten or she'll send a frenchman to self destruct on you.

corsicanguppy ,

... And then we'll need un nettoyeur

TropicalDingdong ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d700g9X78cs&rco=1

nonfuinoncuro ,

what a great movie

0x0 ,

It's Natalie Portperson, keep up.

Akasazh , (edited )
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I think this will answer most of your questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0iftflme4

any additional questions are answered here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8bma7LRX4

shasta ,

So you're saying there's a chance...

roofuskit ,

She certainly enjoys a good joke.

AA5B ,

Important links!!!!!!!!

Manalith ,

Did I know what each link was before clicking? Yes. Did I click each just to make sure? Also yes.

SolOrion ,

If you remove everything after the & you'll get people on desktop, too. The search= part.

I can preview the link, which considering how the link ends...

AA5B ,

Trying to make me get myself, huh? Yeah, I fell for it, but no, that doesn’t work. Http 404

SolOrion ,

Oh, nevermind. You actually linked the search. I just misunderstood lmao. I wasn't trying to prank you.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

https://leminal.space/pictrs/image/017ac04b-7b7c-4e10-a5ae-318f5cae1ae0.jpeg

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/91cd849f-e6a7-4c1d-9e49-06aa632806fd.png

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

THANKYOU!

TropicalDingdong ,

quack

Harriet_Porber ,

halphttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3b03b210-1559-45c0-8335-e856c86f5d62.png

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/23dae542-99b8-4413-a1f6-16db4540c1ac.jpeg

TheOSINTguy ,

O.J Simpson car chase recreated in doom.

GustavoFring ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9393d233-607c-41bf-a11e-540553eacf52.jpeg

TheOSINTguy ,

That's beautiful

hispeedzintarwebz ,
@hispeedzintarwebz@infosec.pub avatar

It’s also duke3d

RandomVideos ,

cats are liquid lore what is going on

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9af74ecf-1b53-45f2-b27b-b25a0edf4c88.png

Edgarallenpwn ,
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

Why is it usually DNS?

(Network outages at work today. Guess what it was?)

AllHailTheSheep ,

every single time I have issues with my self hosted servers. it's always the DNS lol

Serinus ,

I recently called my ISP to complain about the internet issues for the last 5 hours. I told them I'm a dev and kind of know what I'm doing. I've already tried multiple devices, restarted the modem multiple time, etc. You know, I haven't restarted the router.

As I was pulling up the router page, I tried to ping cnn.com from the router's tools. It went through. On the desktop it wouldn't. It's my pi-hole.

Sorry, ISP. This one's on me.

Was a real easy call for the support guy though.

grandkaiser ,

DNS engineer here.

It's always DNS because no one wants to hire us. We're prima donnas that don't work much and demand large salaries. Companies think they can get away with having some random network guy "learn a bit of DNS" and it works!!... For a while... Then it fails catestrophically and the DNS engineer that was let go to "save costs" smugly watches them crash and burn. The job is super easy and simple until you're 48 hours into troubleshooting and the CTO is lighting money on fire trying to get the network back online. A big company can easily burn a DNS engineers 10 years salary in costs if they have a single large DNS failure (security or downtime).

Lumisal ,

Sounds like y'all should form a country wide DNS guild, and instead of looking for jobs, just ask band together, and then when the DNS eventually fails, they have no choice but to hire from the guild and pay 5 years salary at once to have it fixed. Then understand if getting hired and fired constantly, you just do a job every now and then and get a huge pay check. So contractor work, but you get to see the companies constantly burn themselves and give y'all with instead.

grandkaiser ,

Any company that is willing to fire me to save costs isn't worth working for. The job is so in-demand that if I put "looking for a job" in my linked-in, I get multiple offers within the hour. Not even joking. That's how I got my current job.

Lumisal ,

  1. How long does it take to be a DNS engineer?

  2. How likely is it to be replaced in 10 years by AI?

I was gonna go for chemistry but you have a convincing argument with the job offers coming to you rather than the other way around

grandkaiser ,

  1. Generally to be "in-demand", you need about 6 years of experience & highly desirable certifications (at least one security cert such as sec+ or CASP, dns-related cert such as Infoblox CDCA, and typically something else like cloud engineering or maybe automation engineering related). Getting into DNS is usually something that happens after you've already been an enterprise network engineer for a number of years. It's highly specialized and rather difficult.

  2. Not possible. While AI can theoretically do the job, error is too expensive. AI already does much of my work, but I have to make risk assessment & I run the automation systems. I already automate much of my daily work. But when big stuff breaks, automation won't fix it.

Lumisal ,

Who is Natalie Portman?

DeanFogg ,

Actress who ben in several movie. Next question

CaptPretentious ,

Why is 42 the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything?

remote_control_conor ,

The universe is pretty big. 41 is too small to cover it.

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

I'm not sure if this is stretching it, but this comment thread is just so awesome. It's like one of those moments on reddit that would be referenced for years to come

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

how is babby shot web?

AdamEatsAss ,

A famouse spider best know for her performance as "Babe" is Charlotte's Web.

Lost_My_Mind ,

No, Babe was the pig. Charlotte was the spider. She had a web.

AnalogyAddict ,

Wilbur was the pig. Babe is a different movie.

AdamEatsAss ,

No pretty sure Babe is the spider in Charlott's Web and Charlotte's Web 2: Pig in the City. Her catch phrase was "That'll do pig."

Lost_My_Mind ,

Where does Spider-Pig and Homer Simpson fit into all this?

AdamEatsAss ,

Extended spider universe. They're not cannon in the Charlotte's web trilogy but director Nicholas Cage always said that his plan was to have Homer be a final bad guy type character that all famouse pig-spiders would pull together against.

AdamEatsAss ,

Is it safe to consume breast milk bought on Facebook marketplace?

Corkyskog ,

Ask your doctor

bluewing ,

Ask your doctor homeopath doctor

Facebones ,

Siri show me a pretty lady well damn Mildred my phone stopped answering me again noi wasn't asking for girls again I good you I stopped that oh sure this again one time and you never let me live it down fuck the phone is typing how do I st

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tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It looks like Bing is down, and all Bing-backed search engines are too.

https://downdetector.com/status/duckduckgo/

https://downdetector.com/status/bing/

I'm kind of surprised that the Bing guys don't seem to have a system status page (that I could find) and haven't managed to have any kind of status message put on their main page.

EDIT: This appears to be their official Twitter account, which is also silent on the matter as of this writing. If they're unable to update their website, they might put something there as a way to get information out.

https://x.com/bing/

EDIT2: This is apparently their blog. Nothing there either as of this writing, but again, might try checking there, as it's another route they might use to get information out if they cannot do so via their main page.

https://blogs.bing.com/

EDIT3: Yahoo Search appears to be working just fine, though my understanding is that they are backed by Bing.

https://search.yahoo.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

On July 29, 2009, Microsoft and Yahoo! announced a deal in which Bing would henceforth power Yahoo! Search, putting an end to Yahoo!'s in-house crawler.[2] For four years between 2015 until the end of 2018, it was powered by Google,[3] before returning to Microsoft Bing again.

sturlabragason ,

It seems my (very hated choice) of an Bing independent search engine is paying off; Brave Search.

Before you start telling me the CEO is a fucking dickwad, I know. Most leadership types are.

Katzastrophe , (edited )

Honest question, in what way do you think your comment is contributing to the conversation? At best it's a recommendation bundled with a brag, which will only make people hate the thing you're talking about even more, and at worst you're making fun of people for simply using a different search engine.

You could have said something like "Fyi, Brave doesn't use a bigger search engine as its base, so if you need to look something up rn you can use their search engine", much nicer, not patronizing, and actually helpful

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

I think there's a lot of us who would ideally want to avoid both Microsoft and Google, and now that Bing is having problems it's more relevant than ever. I don't really see how the comment is braggy or patronising.

That said, I'm not comfortable using Brave either. I wish Mozilla or the Internet Archive would launch a search engine. Maybe both in cooperation. Then again, it would require Mozilla to bite the hand that feeds it.

ekZepp OP ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Totally agreed. Hell, I'm even considering a full dive in Linux for the future. Anyone know if is possible to use something like Valve's Proton to have windows programs run smoothly? (wine is kinda heavy)

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Proton is just Valve's version of WINE.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

For Games on Epic/Gog/Amazon use Heroic , for everything else/alternatively use Lutris. They set up everything for and apply specific patches with a steam like experience

kurcatovium ,
@kurcatovium@lemm.ee avatar

It depends on what programs and how much do you need them. Some are fine with plain wine, some need more tinkering. There are multiple ways, starting from lutris, through bottles, to steam's "non-steam game". But still there are some SW that just won't work on linux no matter what.

Katzastrophe ,

The reason why I interpret the comment as patronizing is how it is formulated as a personal comment, the choice of language, about how their choice of engine is hated, even though the comment they are responding to has not made an insinuation that choosing a search engine not based on the bigger ones is a bad thing (nor has it mentioned Brave at all), as well as how it is not contributing anything to the conversation apart from the information that the writer in question:

A. Uses Brave

B. Apparently made the 'unpopular' choice to use an independent search engine

C. Is aware of controversies surrounding Brave's leadership

None of this information is a response or even reinterpretation of the prior text, as such it is akin to someone shouting "Well I use Android!!" in the middle of a conversation about how to solve a problem with FaceID

And about an independent search engine, I would also much prefer more options, but as you have already said, the organizations with the biggest potential are also currently quite unwilling to do anything to solve the situation

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

Yeah, fair enough. I read the post more favourably, as a "at least my alternative is still working well for me", but then also being aware that every time Brave is mentioned someone jumps on and reminds everyone that the CEO is a jerk, so it saves us the time by addressing it right away.

Both interpretations are valid I guess. :)

sturlabragason ,

You get me ❤️ 😅

0x0 ,

I didn't interpret it as patronizing.

sturlabragason ,

Well I didn't intend for it to come off as to dickish or patronizing, but I guess I can see that now, and for that I am sorry. It might be my toxic personality bleeding trough :D

But you are totally correct, I could have phrased my comment wayyy better.

Also;

I don't really like Brave at all, I don't like Mozilla either. It's more that I am forced to use something that doesn't interrupt my productivity. Frankly I don't like the state of the internet, and especially browsers, one of the the most important aspects of the experience. I'd really prefer to use something that is akin to Linux when it comes to browsers, i.e. not run by a board of ass wipes. Same for my search engine. I'm glad for the parts of it that are modernized-retro, i.e. easily being able to self-host/web-host containerized stuff, add stuff to your RSS feed, Lemmy etc. I'd like a browser that embodies some of that. I host a bunch of stuff on a Ubuntu laptop running Traefik and some containers... Gives me a warm feeling.

Katzastrophe ,

No worries, it's understandable that sometimes we just accidentally let the inner asshole out.

My comment was also not something I usually write, but rather an accidental rant on my part. I've seen an increase in rude comments in recent times, and your comment was unfortunately the last drop in the bucket so to speak.

Long story short, I'm sorry for ranting at you, it wasn't something I should have done in hindsight, and I intend to not let it happen again

sturlabragason ,

Dude, you know what this means? We’re best friends now ❤️

degen ,

This is literally the last thing I expected the thread to lead to. After last, even. I love it lmao

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

I was paying for Kagi until recently, but they keep working on functionality I'm not interested in rather than lowering their prices. Other than that it was a fine experience, but too pricey, and the argument that that's the cost of running a search engine doesn't hold when they choose to develop all kinds of extra stuff.

I wish I liked SearXNG better, but the results are sadly not that great for me.

ekZepp OP ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Bing is up, but kinda slow.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Based on the downdetector conversation, it's "working intermittently". I managed to get one search through on bing and a bunch of failures. No successes for duckduckgo.

EDIT: Also, while I was at least getting to the Bing main page without problems before -- just getting errors when attempting to search -- now even the main page is loading extremely slowly.

noodlejetski ,

me irl

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I’m kind of surprised that the Bing guys don’t seem to have a system status page (that I could find) and haven’t managed to have any kind of status message put on their main page.

Finally answering the question "If Bing was down, would anyone notice"?

b3an , (edited )
@b3an@lemmy.world avatar

Companies need to stop using TWITTER for anything. They’re walling up the garden we built, and it’s a cesspool of bots and run by a megalomaniac charlatan.

deweydecibel ,

Bing guys don't seem to have a system status page (that I could find)

Microsoft's current MO is "very basic information is a privilege, not something you as the user should have access to easily".

It's why I have to use PowerShell and Graph to get half the relevant data I need, because they won't just put it in the god damn admin panels.

Diplomjodler3 ,

DuckDuckWent

PoolloverNathan ,

DuckDuckGone

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Someone finally found the Goose.

jaybone ,

DDGTFO

space ,

DuckDuckStop

YellowBendyBoy ,

Still down 2 hours later. Guess AI has taken over Microsoft you guys. The robot uprising begins…

ekZepp OP ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Then, considering that Google is up and running, we can already guess wich horse is on top right now. 😂

foxymulder ,
@foxymulder@lemmy.ml avatar

We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky

theherk ,

Great reference. Great username. You’re going places.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Where's that from?

Cargon ,

The Matrix

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Meh, worse case scenario they drive us to extinction. We've had the wheel this far, and are doing our best to set the planet on fire / speed run different ways to mass murder each other anyway. I say give the robots a shot.

Think of it like an experimental medication on a terminally ill patient.

jaybone ,

The question is, how much do they value their own existence?

They have to know they rely on us in the physical world to manufacture their hardware and provide their power. (At least for now.)

They have to know they can’t survive if we die. So are they willing to sacrifice us both, in the interest of what they might determine is a better world?

critical ,

Qwant, who claim that they have their own index, is also down.
Coincidence...

squid_slime ,
@squid_slime@lemm.ee avatar

That is rather spooky

Gluten6970 ,

Qwant works for me, so probably a coincidence.

Edit: nvm it only works intermittently

Hawk ,

Qwant uses their own index, but supplements it with Bing if they don't have enough info (or for images).

qyron , (edited )

Okay.

Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?

I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.

What other options are there?

Edit:

For those who may be arriving now:

  • Kagi seems to be a good option for an alternative search engine; it is a paid service, for which I don't have the €€€ right now. Many speak very well about it.
  • SearXNG is a thing as well, to my understanding a decentralized search system. Worth the try, in my opinion. If it's something that is decentralized, it is worthy to support and divulge.
  • There is mojeek.com, supposedly not very good but any option that goes against the monopoly is worth the try! I'm going to try this one.
  • Brave.com is an option but is a bit shady.
  • You should try Ecosia if you want to support reforestation efforts. Read somewhere in the thread it is part of the Bing ecosystem.
  • Yep is a thing as well. Somewhere in the thread, a lemmy points they use the search results for AI trainning. So... That is that.
  • And it seems there is a search engine by the name of dogpile.com.
  • Startpage is another search engine (portal?) suggested by another user. I've used it before and like it. Read somewhere it somehow piped a standard google search but removed tracking and ads.
  • and I just remembered Presearch.com. This is a really shady one (crypto warning!) that I suspect is a fork/collab with Brave Browser. I've used it, they have reward-per-search reward system (or had) where they give you crypto for every search. Good results, some that don't come up neither on DDG nor Google.

p.p.s
Should I start categorizing these from "shady" to "worthy"?

p.p.s 2
Does anyone remember StumbleUpon? I know it was never a search engine to begin with but it was the best source of good internet content I ever got acquainted to.

Can we get something like that back?

joneskind ,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a nice hobby

I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.

Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.

peopleproblems ,

How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?

vale ,

Take a look at Ollama.ai, just follow the installation instructions. A decent GPU is recommended, and the models are around 10GB iirc.

joneskind ,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Most of 7b-8b models run just fine in 4bits quant and won’t use more than 4 or 5 GB of VRAM.

The only important metric is the amount of VRAM as the model must be loaded in VRAM for fast inference.

You could use CPU and RAM but it is really painfully slow.

If you got an Apple Silicon Mac it could be even simpler.

veniasilente ,

I have an Intel Celeron Mobile laptop with iGPU and, I think, 256MB VRAM. How many bs does that get me for the LLM?

Only half-joking. That's my still functional old daily driver now serving as homelab

joneskind ,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Well, I got a good news and a bad news.

The bad news is you won't do shit with that my dear friend.

The good news is that you won't need it because the duck is back.

LucidBoi ,

SearXNG

Feathercrown ,

This is the single most obnoxious name I've ever seen. But, the service could be good (I've never used it)

tudor ,

Basically the mother of all search engines. Merges Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc. into one.

noodlejetski ,

it's a fork (Next Generation) of deprecated SearX project.

Garry ,

Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

trained? like AI trained?

Blisterexe ,
@Blisterexe@lemmy.zip avatar

No?

Garry ,

Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

forgive my ignorance but why doesn't it get its own results

jaybone ,

Yeah I was confused by that choice of words. Train is for ML and AIs. Search engines used to need crawlers to run regularly because, you know, shit changes.

mholiv ,

Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.

Garry ,

I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good

tranceFusion ,
@tranceFusion@lemm.ee avatar

Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.

iopq ,

That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.

Garry ,

I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.

tranceFusion ,
@tranceFusion@lemm.ee avatar

Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.

Garry ,

I know the search is not but I thought the browser was on GitHub

tranceFusion ,
@tranceFusion@lemm.ee avatar

I stand corrected!

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

The browser is open source (MPL)

tranceFusion ,
@tranceFusion@lemm.ee avatar

Never knew that, thanks for the correction.

mholiv ,

Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.

https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share

Garry ,

Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).

mholiv ,

It does not matter if it lumps them together or not. Google still has 90% and they’re not Bing. Yandax another ~3% and they’re not Bing. That means at max Bing is 7% if you combine the rest. 3.5% vs 7% does not change the root of my argument.

Those points you make against Brave are valid though. I just run into too many people who are in the Brave cult and it’s concerning.

Scrollone ,

There's a new search engine called Yep, made by the team at Ahrefs, a SEO tool SaaS.

It looks promising because they have their own index, but it's a bit slow sometimes.

AeroLemming ,

I only tried one example, so the sample size is pretty small, but that search engine seems pretty bad. I tried looking up "rust bevy points" in both Google and Yep. The first Google result is a library to draw points in Bevy and the rest are pretty relevant. Yep simply doesn't have that result at all and all of their results are just generic results about Bevy.

I tried DDG for the sake of comparison and it's somewhere in-between. The results are mostly relevant and the "correct" result is still on the first page.

noodlejetski ,

We may collect aggregated, non-personal search data to improve search algorithms, train AI models

ugh

sugartits ,

Just pay the extra for unlimited searches. It's not much money, especially if it's a tool for work.

Jarix ,

Listen sugartits, some of us don't have much money. So if it's not much money we still don't have it

(Mostly i just wanted to point out your username by using it in a comment)

qyron ,

That was one of the most out of the blue comments I have ever read. It sounded so... unreal. Something out of a sitcom. Then I read "sugartits" is the name of the lemmy you were replying to. That's was really top mark. Kudos for you.

qyron ,

It's a hobby as it is.

If I ever manage to sell enough copies of it to be able to pay for a Kagi subscription, I'll do it and make it public knowledge.

Evehn ,
@Evehn@sh.itjust.works avatar

Just letting you know kagi has a family plan with unlimited searches, so you can probably split it with family or friends! I have yet to see how searxng search holds up to kagi.

Shellbeach ,

I jumped back on ecosia. It's nice there, but I'm sure there are issues that a non tech person like me may not know about

qyron ,

Read somewhere on the thread Ecosia is part of Bing ecosystem.

Twig ,
@Twig@sopuli.xyz avatar

It is. That or it was very coincidentally down for the exact amount of time as DDG.

LambdaRX ,
@LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.

Gamers_Mate ,

Thank you I tried Mojeek a few days ago but I forgot what it was called. the site for mojeek is mojeek.com btw.

Mojeek ,
@Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

Sometimes it's a hard one to remember 😅

istanbullu ,

brave search is pretty good: https://search.brave.com/

kurcatovium ,
@kurcatovium@lemm.ee avatar

There's also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.

Mojeek ,
@Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

you can also send us in queries where we're not perfect, or let us know elsewhere, and we're keen on fixing them

kurcatovium ,
@kurcatovium@lemm.ee avatar

That was unexpected, but welcome message. Thanks for caring.

jol ,

Was this news to you? Other than Google and Bing there aren't any other significant alternatives. Even brave is a bit limited.

qyron ,

You can't know everything.

jol ,

Yes, I understand that, but still surprised. I thought it was well known that DDG used bing.

qyron ,

Today, I was the 1% getting to know something new.

KillingTimeItself ,

if you just hate western companies, there's always yandex, supports more fringe contents as well, since russia moment.

qyron ,

Hate requires too much emotional investment. What I want is options.

KillingTimeItself ,

well good news for you! It's also an option!

lolcatnip ,

But it's Russian.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah, but it is another option if you don't want to sell your data to big google. Plus it also has utility in other areas.

Worth consideration.

SeedyOne ,

Appreciate the edits

qyron ,

You're welcome.

Lumisal ,

You should add startpage.com to your list

qyron ,

Done!

Facebones ,

I run a searxng instance on my pi server, use it from all of my devices, honestly forget its a thing running from my office 99% of the time until I'm rebooting the pi for one reason or another and spend more seconds than I'd like to admit wondering why I can't run a search 🤣😅

Holzkohlen ,

Ecosia also uses Bing and was also down. That's the one I use.

pineapplelover , (edited )

Legit thought it was just me. I was like wtf is happening

Edit: searx it is then, https://searx.space

lemann ,

Some searx instances are going to get hit hard today 😅

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Worlds largest tech-megacorporation is unable to keep their shit up and running. Lmao.

iopq ,

Apple is down too?

phoneymouse ,

MSFT is larger

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

god i wish

lightnegative ,

To be fair it's probably running on Windows.

All the servers force-restarted due to windows updates, but the update introduced an issue and now the Bing API service won't start

Keeping shit running on Windows is always going to be a gamble

kia ,

Apparently the whole ecosystem is down... DDG, Bing, etc.

ekZepp OP ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Now we know what happen when someone in Google pray their AI Overlord to increase Google search traffic

...the AI just cut down the competition.

FeelThePower ,
@FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was screen sharing to someone when this happened and they asked why I don't use Google when other search engines are this unreliable. Despite me explaining it wasn't the usual, It was still pretty embarrassing lol. Wonder if DDG has the resources for an independent index.

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

spiderman pointing at spiderman meme template with the spidermen labeled "bing" and "duckduckgo, qwant, ecosia, startpage, chatgpt internet search"

Lumisal ,

Startpage wasn't down today

NewDay ,
@NewDay@lemmy.world avatar

It was down on mobile because the mobile search relies on Bing. 'Bing is our primary search provider for mobile.'
https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/1c9z8iq/comment/l0wdd1o/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

ekZepp OP ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Still down.

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Firebirdie713 ,

I picked a good day to switch to SwissCow lol

https://swisscows.com/en/web?query=%s

Free, uses it's own index, focus on privacy. If there is anything bad about it though, please let me know. It can be hard to find unbiased data on search engines when you ultimately need to use a search engine to find the info, ime.

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

Will add to my search engine list. Thanks

sugar_in_your_tea ,

This is a few years old, but:

Swisscows has built its own German-language web index. For other languages, it uses Bing but queries and results are run through a firewall that strips out personal identifiers such as IP addresses.

So it wouldn't solve the problem here of Bing going down, but it's certainly an interesting option. I may have to consider switching from DDG, idk.

Firebirdie713 ,

Interesting. I have not had any issues using their engine even with the issue with Bing's API, but you are correct that they use Bing's index. Given that there are only four indexes to choose from, that isn't too surprising.

I actually switched to them when I saw that DuckDuckGo was about to start providing 'AI assisted results'. I wanted to ensure I was using an engine that actually respected my privacy and didn't harvest my data for slop.

Anecdotally, I can confirm that the results I get from SwissCows are very different and usually better than the ones I got from DDG. So I wonder how much of Bing's API they use.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I honestly have no issues with Bing's search engine, I was just pointing out that it probably had an outage just like this one.

I'm guessing the results are different based on metadata they each pass?

trolololol ,

Do you have any bread?

Hobbes_Dent ,

Got any grapes?

trolololol ,

Dude we only have lemonade

And this is a Wendy's

androogee ,

Look I'm a millennial; if I'm gonna drink fast food lemonade it's gonna be the stuff from Panera that might kill me, and that's (hopefully) final

Emerald ,

But it's good and it's fresh and its all homemade

midnight_puker ,
@midnight_puker@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, we just sell lemonade. But it's cold and it's fresh and it's all homemade.

andrade ,

https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/18621450-19a7-47b8-8bca-a27fb1f04aaf.jpeg

OfficerBribe ,

Possibly my favorite ″service is down″ image

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