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Did ad blockers survive YouTube's offensive? Letting numbers talk

TL;DR version:

  • From June to August, the number of active users of the AdGuard Ad Blocker extension for Chrome dropped by about 8%. But in late August, the trend reversed. The temporary slump in user growth was offset by the increased demand in the second half of the year.

  • After a brief period of turbulence that lasted about a month, we saw the trend stabilize. And while the daily number of uninstalls was still higher than before YouTube's crackdown, it remained consistently lower than the number of daily installs.

  • After media reports and YouTube’s own statements implied that ad blockers were doomed, and especially after more and more users started noticing that their ad blocking extensions were not working properly on YouTube, we did indeed see a spike in uninstalls. However, at the same time, the number of installs also increased significantly! It may well be that the way ad blockers’ woes were amplified in the media inadvertently boosted their popularity and helped them woo new users.

  • The takeaway from all of this is that ad blockers — first and foremost, ad-blocking extensions — were rocked by YouTube’s onslaught, but survived. And, moreover, the interest has rebounded, as is evidenced by the growth in the number of active users.

FlavoredButtHair ,
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

How many still didn't subscribe to YouTube Premium?

VieuxQueb ,
@VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca avatar

Tubular on my phone and firefox with ublock origin on my PC. don't have money to pay anyways.

QuadratureSurfer ,
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

GrayJay has been great for Android, I haven't had any issues watching YouTube.

Using the built-in Ad blocking on Brave browser (both Android and Desktop) I haven't had any slowness or issues with YouTube at all.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

I'm watching YouTube right now with uBlock Origin working without issue.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

I have the same with ublock, however the video quit with sponsorblock. Ublock doesn’t block all yt ads.

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Are you using Ublock, or Ublock Origin? Origin is the one you want.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Origin. Just shortened it up for brevity’s sake.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Guess I'm lucky, I have not seen any ads so far.

DefiantBidet ,

YouTube slowing itself down to unusable made me write a local extension that takes any YouTube watch link and opens it in yewtu.be my life has been better since. Fuck you tube's stance. You're gonna make the experience terrible I'll watch your content via another client.

Chee_Koala ,

Very cool! I'm walking this same route, but with LibRedirect and Invidious Instance Selector Firefox addons. Maybe libraries can do community video-hosting and moderation? But please, no more businesses

PopMyCop ,

Have you tried LibRedirect? It works for quite a bit more than just youtube. I personally love it for the fandom mirrors.

partial_accumen ,

I'm not familiar with yewtu.be, but couldn't you accomplish the the same thing with a simple Host File entry in your operating system? Get the IP of yewtu.be (by pinging it which I just did to get 104.244.72.25), create an entry that says:

youtube.com 104.244.72.25

So when your OS goes to find youtube.com, it gets directed to the IP of yewtu.be

ostsjoe ,

No, the browser would still send YouTube.com as the host header. While yewtu.be could be configured to allow this to work, the TLS cert would not and the browser would get upset.

Dehydrated ,

Your browser doesn't check SSL certificates?

hiramfromthechi ,
@hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world avatar

For those of us who can't code their own extensions: LibRedirect does this for other sites as well, not just YouTube.

elshandra ,

Oh, ty. This will replace a few extensions for me.

0xb ,
@0xb@lemmy.world avatar

Didn't uninstall any of my AdBlock layers, but YouTube didn't survive.

Even though I actually never saw the famous popup, the whole thing made me take steps after months of feeling that the recommendations sucked and I was often wasting lots of time watching stuff I didn't even like.

Now I'm actually getting back into reading and audiobooks, and using invidious for the occasional watch.

key ,

Missing piece in the numbers here is how many people were uninstalling adguard to switch to uBlock? Using one extension's install stats to make conclusions about all adblocking extensions seems a bit much.

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Right? I've never even heard of adguard

rolling_resistance ,

AgGuard was (is?) big on Android and DNS. Helped to get rid of ads in many apps.

Krauerking ,

Yeah their DNS url was pretty useful in blocking ads on the go when away from my pihole. But I still preferred uBlock on browsers

HarkMahlberg ,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

May also indicate that users were shopping around for a blocker that worked against Youtube. Maybe some of those users actually just settled with AdGuard coming from ABP, or uBlock, or whoever.

Draconic_NEO ,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure they did that on purpose, trying to skew the narrative. The goal is to make it seem like it's all doom and gloom because it'll get people to read the article to the end, and maybe in their minds get some people to stop using adblockers.

eltrain123 ,

I wonder if they saw a large enough down tick is user traffic to realize that endlessly badgering people with 5 ads to watch a 30 second clip is driving away their user base.

I know my YouTube consumption has decreased by a factor of 10. I used to use it for almost all of my streaming entertainment. In conjunction with other streaming services’ password sharing crackdown, I am spending more time reading and going outside than I have in the past decade. That’s a trend these providers don’t want catching on.

Itsamelemmy ,

My YouTube use is going down because the algorithm absolutely sucks now. I went to the gaming tab 2 hours after the state of play and it was nowhere to be found. But outdated years old crap was being shown.

But never had any ad issues with ublock origin or revanced.

eek2121 ,

If I had to watch ads, I would not use youtube. Period.

slampisko ,

This. My preferred way of catching up to my favorite channels nowadays is watching their content on LibreTube with AdBlock and SponsorBlock on and supporting them on Patreon if they have one.

sigmaklimgrindset ,
@sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, recently had my Android with adblockers break, and my YT consumption is almost non-existent now as I watch more on mobile devices than on PC.

As an aside, if anyone has any advice for a ReVanced-like app for iOS, I'm all ears. I miss my Pixel 🥲

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

I can't remember the last time I saw an ad on any of my devices, so I'd say "lol"

oDDmON ,

Then, there’s this: https://restoreprivacy.com/state-spyware-extensively-using-ads-as-distribution-channel/

For this reason alone, fuck any company banning ad blockers.

AtmaJnana ,

Its literally always been that way. When a webmaster gives up control of their content, it gets exploited.

Passerby6497 ,

Yeah, malvertising has been a thing for over a decade, maybe closer to two. And it is something hosts at every level have had to deal with, including NYT and BBC.

I'd have no issue allowing ads if company's properly vetted what was being advertised and did so through their own host/domain, because then you'd know that there was a human between you and whomever they're selling space to. And I've seen a few small blogs do this sort of thing when I've been deep down a rabbit hole trying to solve a problem, and I respect the hell out of them for being willing to do the legwork to own what you serve. But most places want to do ad sales at such volume that its just not 'economically feasible' (ie, it eats away at the money they're getting from the ads) to do so.

realitista ,
@realitista@lemmy.world avatar

Heroes.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Did they survive? In my case, they got stronger.

In principle, I actually support the idea of people running sites being able to support themselves financially through advertising. I just don’t like when the ads go too far into obnoxious territory. So before all this, I used Adblock Plus with its "acceptable ads policy" to let through unobtrusive banner ads but block prerolls, large graphics, and interstitial ads.

Unfortunately, ABP didn’t adapt to YouTube’s changes quickly enough, so I switched to uBlock Origin. Now I don’t even see unobtrusive ads. Google shot themselves in the foot over this one.

rottingleaf ,

When webmasters running homely sites with flavor of their own personality would add places for ad banners, that was fine. You usually knew what kind of content you'd see on which banners where, and they weren't as bad as now.

With modern ads served by companies stronger than many states, on platforms with less personality than many nation-states have, it just became something you never need which gets forced down your throat via phishing practices and works exactly as phishing.

Nobody who literally follows those ads and believes them does understand what they are doing. It's aimed at teens who can only poke fingers at screens and at elderly who can also often only poke fingers at screens.

It's a completely predatory thing by now, with no fair scenarios of usage. It should be outlawed if nothing else works.

Gosh, at this point I'd approve of an official state-standardized replacement of the Web, intentionally limited in extensibility, a bit like Gemini, only without the "minimalist" and "small" parts, which would be mandatory for state institutions, medical institutions, educational institutions, public transport etc. Maybe more similar to HyperCard or having some PostScript support there =\

Zagorath , (edited )
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

When webmasters running homely sites with flavor of their own personality

Honestly this is why I'm so bullish on ActivityPub. Like this video sort of gets at (apologies that that's a Nebula link. I think you can get one Nebula video for free if you're not a subscriber, or you can wait until it goes up on the TechAltar YouTube channel after a couple of days or maybe a week—the full interviews with fediverse people are unlikely to go on YT though; I'm currently watching the Automattic CEO interview and finding it brilliant), federation is a really great way of going back to a world of smaller sites hosted by people with a passion for what they're doing. But it'll be even better, because of the ability to interact with all these different sites with one unified account. Tumblr and WordPress embracing ActivityPub are an awesome step in that direction.

edit: looks like the main video is already up on YouTube. Must have been only a 1 day delay on this one.

Varyk ,

Why are people using ad blockers instead of using new pipe? I've been using it for a year or something with zero ads and issues

Got_Bent ,

I've yet to get a new pipe link to work on phone or desktop. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

SparkIT ,
@SparkIT@kbin.social avatar

I'm confused about "new pipe links".

Newpipe is an app. Do you have trouble setting it as a default app for youtube links?

Got_Bent ,

That may be it. There's a bot on lemme thst responds to all YouTube links with piped links, and I've tried to follow those directly. I was unaware of an app. Thanks.

SparkIT , (edited )
@SparkIT@kbin.social avatar

Oh, I didn't know about the bot. So I guess that's Piped (https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped) which is a frontend like invidious (https://github.com/iv-org/invidious) and usually when it doesn't work switching instance should do the job.

Newpipe is a different project: https://newpipe.net/

On desktop you can also use FreeTube: https://freetubeapp.io/

Varyk , (edited )

You could grab BlueStacks or some Android sim and then use the app on your desktop, works like a charm.

Norgur ,

Not everyone is using Youtube exclusively on their phones, you know?

Varyk , (edited )

Seems like a worthwhile reason to get BlueStacks.

SLaSZT ,
@SLaSZT@kbin.social avatar

Why should I use an Android emulator to run an app on PC instead of the many browser front ends for YouTube?

Norgur ,

or an adblocker and tampermonkey for that matter

Varyk ,

People keep complaining about frontends and plugins failing and having to switch strategies, but newpipe works flawlessly.

It's less work.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

Not if you have to run an entire android emulator to access it.

Varyk ,

Haha, an "an entire Android emulator"?

You click twice to install it.

Click twice to install any app.

Click once to use the app perpetually.

That's not as much work as you're pretending it is.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

It's more work than using an alternate front end in the browser... of which there are plenty of excellent options... all which are optimized for use on desktop. But you do you I guess.

Varyk ,

Can you give me an example?

It took me 5 minutes and five clicks and I've been using it for a year on my phone and desktop.

I don't consider something that simple and convenient work, so I'm curious what you mean by "less work". Do you mean the front ends take 3 minutes to install instead of 5 minutes?

Obviously can't be down time since you can't have a less than zero downtime, but what do you mean by "less work"?

ParetoOptimalDev ,

You don't have to install anything, just go to https://yewtu.be/

Varyk ,

Oh cool. Thanks.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

Piped.video and Yewtu.be are both web frontends that work in the browser and require no installation.

Freetube has installers for windows/mac/linux with no need for the overhead of android emulation.

I haven't tried this out but I wonder if any of the popular Android youtube clients would work with Windows Subsystems for Android on Win11. It'd be way harder to setup than Bluestacks but would require less overhead.

SLaSZT ,
@SLaSZT@kbin.social avatar

I've never had that issue with Piped or Invidious, though sometimes I've had a specific instance not load. There are literal dozens of instances though.

However, I've had numerous issues with Bluestacks and it's a huge memory hog, not to mention it's overkill to install an entire OS just for 1 singular purpose that can be done just fine on your native OS.

It's a layer of abstraction that's almost entirely unnecessary except for 1 use case: watching YouTube without ads.

Varyk ,

It's five clicks. That's not a big issue for most people.

Calling it an entire os or a layer of abstraction doesn't negate the simplicity of 5 minutes of set up and five clicks, and then it works perpetually.

It's probably more trouble to set up some of these plugins and frontends.

Also once you have any emulator installed, you can use all of your favorite apps straight on your desktop.

It's extremely convenient.

SLaSZT ,
@SLaSZT@kbin.social avatar

You know what's more convenient?

https://piped.kavin.rocks/

Lol. You are ridiculous.

Varyk , (edited )

It's more ridiculous that you find a single 5-minute period to access years of content ridiculous.

SLaSZT ,
@SLaSZT@kbin.social avatar

No, I find it ridiculous that you are recommending that others use such a woefully bloated method simply because you remember it taking 5 minutes and have used it for years.

I don't intend to change your mind, I intend to imply to others reading that this is a silly and bloated way to do it that most people shouldn't follow unless they actually require Bluestacks for something, such as app testing or to use an Android app that contains specific functionality not available on PC.

Also, I remember when NewPipe was ass, so it also took that dev a "really long time" to come up with a functional app. Not really sure what your point is other than to attempt to delegitimize a solution that is better than yours. :b

Varyk ,

Simply to point out your continued inaccuracies.

Someone else working out a solution that works better than your myriad of suggestions really seems to bother you.

You keep pretending that a couple of minutes is some laborious chore that no one would ever be able to work through.

You can keep pretending that installing two programs is difficult, but it isn't, and nobody following your inaccurate and easily disproved claims one after the other is going to take you seriously.

Evkob ,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

No one is saying that setting up NewPipe on Bluestacks is particularly difficult.

Everyone is just trying to tell you that it's a needlessly convoluted way of watching YouTube videos on desktop, and that there exists many better options to achieve the same end result. Do what works for you, I definitely have some weird workflows and hacky work-arounds too, but expect people to push back if you try to recommend it to others because it's a pretty bad recommendation.

Varyk ,

I don't find one-click computer programs convoluted, and by installing an Android environment you have instant single-click access to apps you wouldn't otherwise be able to use on a computer.

I do appreciate you admitting that bluestacks is not as difficult as you are pretending it is, but pretending that single click access and operation is convoluted is not much better.

Evkob ,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

Installing an emulator (and an app on that emulator) for something you can achieve more easily either with a native app or a website is already convoluted.

Doing so on a PC when the UI of the emulated app is meant for a mobile phone with touch controls and a fraction of the screen size of a desktop computer? Very convoluted.

Varyk ,

You might want to make that statement personal, I don't know many people who find install wizards or using a mouse as "convoluted" as you do.

Evkob ,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

I'll chose to interpret this comment as a joke, but if anyone wants a desktop app for YouTube, check out FreeTube. No ads, subscriptions without a Google account, Sponsorblock integration, videos can be proxied through Invidious if wanted.

Varyk ,

Oh it's okay, if your comment is a joke you probably don't need to write it.

Evkob ,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

I meant your comment that I replied to. Suggesting emulating an Android app as the easiest way to watch YouTube on desktop is plain old silly.

Varyk ,

It takes 5 minutes and works flawlessly, that seems like a pretty solid choice.

GeekFTW ,
@GeekFTW@kbin.social avatar

Because:

A) New Pipe is a phone app only.
B) People view YouTube on devices other than phones.
C) People view more websites than just YouTube, on which they also want to block ads.

Varyk ,

Ew

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

the latter is why you just disable the adblocker on specific sites, instead of uninstalling it completely which leaves you open to all the malware infested ads and shit everywhere.

moody ,

Disable my adblocker? No thank you. I can't think of anything I'm not willing to abandon if it won't work with an adblocker.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

plenty of users are uninstalling at one site's (yt) demand... instead of just whitelisting instead.

foggy ,
TheGrandNagus ,

Still using Firefox + ublock origin + sponsorblock. I've not seen an ad on YouTube for years.

On my phone I'm using Tubular, a fork of NewPipe with Sponsorblock integration.

nicetriangle ,

Yeah ditto, been working fine for me

dan1101 ,
@dan1101@lemm.ee avatar

Same, on phone Newpipe works fine for me so far.

HarkMahlberg ,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

Seen plenty of people talking about the crazy ads they see on Youtube. Right wing propaganda, blatant grifting, scams... Folding Ideas has done not one but two videos talking about the ads he saw and picking them apart. Surely the people complaining about these ads know adblockers exist right? Why don't they use them? I'm sure there are several reasons but, it's been a known quantity for decades that you have the power to control how many and what kind of ads you see.

TerraNova ,

Is Tubular an Android only thing? I can’t find it. I'm still looking for an iOS solution.

Dehydrated ,

You can use Yattee with this guide

TerraNova ,

Will try this tonight. Thanks!

Dehydrated ,

If this doesn't work for you, I have another (not as great) option that I used to use, back when I was using iOS. You can find a Invidious or Piped instance you like and a shortcut to it on your home screen. Obviously, that's not as great as having a nice native app, but it works.

cmnybo ,

Youtube still works fine with uBlock Origin. I've had the adblock detection pop up a few times, but updating the filters fixed it every time. I will never uninstall my ad blocker. The web is not usable without it.

jerrythegenius ,
@jerrythegenius@lemmy.world avatar

Are the adblocker-detection bits a chrome/ium-only thing? I use firefox w/ ublock origin and I've never gotten any

Got_Bent ,

I've gotten it on Firefox this week.

Since I very rarely comment on anything, the solution is generally to just log out of my account.

I need to learn the filter truck mentioned above.

jerrythegenius ,
@jerrythegenius@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I'm normally logged in ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

filter truck

The what now?

Got_Bent ,

Filter update. No clue how autocorrect got truck out of that.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Perhaps you originally meant to write trick?

Lmaydev ,

Yeah I have my adblocker disabled on edge on my work laptop as it messes with my web dev.

I accidentally used it for general browsing and I couldn't believe what people put up with! It's like a totally different internet.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

that effect is amplified in areas with only shit-tier internet, like half of rural america.

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