The only reason to give notice is if there are benefits to giving notice, like having banked PTO paid out or something (if you’re in a state where it’s not required to be paid out). Otherwise, absolutely call the morning of and let them know you quit.
That may not be the best advice. Depends on your industry, but burning a bridge so quickly may hurt you in the future. I’ve had former coworkers and other managers help me get my foot in the door for another job.
Besides, there’s something cathartic about knowing the end is right there and still getting paid for it.
Yea, I should have been explicit for the caveat being that it’s not a job you need as a reference or anything. If you’re in retail, they don’t give a shit about past jobs, just that you’re a body now. If your current retail gig is toxic, that’s when to pull this shit out.
Sure, but that's on a case basis. If it makes sense then do that. But all these people in here saying you can't do it because it's unprofessional are ridiculous. Was it unprofessional for the boss to just schedule someone for zero hours?
Depending on the job, that can be pretty fucked up for the people you work with. Your co-workers often deserve some consideration too. If you're doing something that doesn't require knowledge transfer, then whatever, but if you have specific and complex knowledge of systems that you need to transfer to other people who will be responsible for maintaining them in your absence, it's pretty messed up to just dump that shit in their lap.
It lets them negotiate rules about not firing people without notice, and is otherwise highly correlated with being the kind of place people don't want to quit without notice.
It also gives them power to be able to make other demands, such as (for example) being given enough time to properly document processes and get cross-training and such.
That is just a sign of poor management in general. If an employee quitting causes that much disruption, there is usual a direct correlation with poor practices.
It's also a shame that holding ourselves to bare minimum of laws is acceptable. Laws should not have to equal moral contracts for people to have moral contracts..
Then your next job calls this job to verify your employment, finds out you quit without notice, and withdraws the offer
Edit: I get that no one cares that what I'm saying is a real thing that happens in some companies. Just know that it is and tread carefully if you're thinking about quitting with no notice period
Edit: Also no, it is in no way illegal in the US for your previous employer to reveal a basic description of the terms of your separation to future/prospective employers
Lots of employers don't verify at all, especially for low level stuff.
Companies are also unlikely to provide much more than the start and end date of employment. No point taking any risks, no benefit from warning another company.
To each their own I guess...I work in healthcare and this is a very real thing that has negatively impacted people I've known who have quit without notice
Edit: Who is downvoting this one?! Fuck those hospital staff, I guess
Have you never had a job that didn't even go on your resume? I worked part time at a video store for some extra cash while I was waiting for a career position to start. I gave the heads up when I was leaving but if the manager had been a dickbag or something I would've fucked them over with no ragerts. We have zero context for this (probably fake) text.
I haven’t the slightest clue why people are mass downvoting your real experience here.
Because although the obsequious attitude he's advocating for might be individually advantageous, it's damaging to society (i.e. workers' power, collectively) and sure as fuck shouldn't be encouraged!
No, that's ridiculous. It's not damaging to anyone. It's the reality of the serious career world, and if you want a good career in reality (vs a worker's revolution or whatever in your fantasy) it would be wise to listen.
References are a real thing. Employment history is a real thing. These are checked by HR and hiring managers for serious career jobs, when an applicant is being considered. I have received direct confirmation of this from 2 jobs where I was hired, from my references and former employers who told me that the new employer called them to ask about me.
Original commenter who has been downvoted to hell here. I'vs spent half my life as a front-line worker and half my life in management, and in management I fight like hell for my people in the face of the greedy corporate bullshit we're handed down from on high.
That said, if you're going to be on my healthcare staff, I and all your colleagues need to be able to trust you. If you've demonstrated a pattern of quitting without notice, to me that demonstrates a lack of planning and/or frustration tolerance, and that makes me hesitant to trust you.
I get lots of people aren't working in jobs that aren't as high stakes as healthcare though
I live in Georgia USA my employment laws explicitly state I can be fired or quit for any reason or no reason. As much as that sucks, I could quit because I don't like my boss' new haircut and that's ironically more legally protected than me being fired for being bisexual.
Whether or not it's legal to quit or fire someone isn't the topic though, this is about your previous employer communicating your termination status to a prospective employer
they cannot ask why or how I left because the law is I can leave for any and no reason
Just because you can legally quit for any reason at any time does not mean your prospective employer can't ask your previous employer why or how you left. These are 2 different things
If they misrepresent the method of your termination in any way you can potentially sue for defamation, so, yeah, they can say what they want as long as they want to get sued.
Sure, but all your previous employer has to do is be honest. If you tell your boss you quit effective immediately, that's "resignation without notice" at most companies. You can try to sue for defamation if this costs you a future job, but your previous employer has their documentation lined up and you will lose
I'm a manager. No, I don't care. Agencies will because they want to see you a service. But even they don't go as far as more than 1. 2 references are rare.
I've dealt with plenty of applications and agencies. I don't think it's an insignificant sample size and experience.
I'm not talking about references though. I'm also a manager, I've done tons of references, and most are glowing. I'm talking about employment verification, which HR often handles totally separate from the hiring manager. Obviously this is going to vary based on organization and policy, and the entire concept seems deeply unpopular here lol
Employment verification isn't allowed to answer personal questions which would include the text above. HR contacts HR with the question, "Was this person employed on X through X dates." The reply is yes or no. The manager doesn't get involved.
Employment verification can absolutely include a description of the separation, eg "resignation with notice," "resignation without notice," or "terminated for cause." Lots of people saying this can't be said, but no one has cited any source because it's false
Your link isn't relevant because it is about being fired, not quitting.
But from your link:
"Many organizations have policies that limit their staff to providing only dates of employment and job titles when inquiries are made about past employees. Others may be more willing to share information with prospective employers."
So your statement only applies to your situation as your link confirms.
I hired people too. In only one situation where any ex employee was caught stealing from a client did I ever share anything negative. And that was only because the company who called was also a former customer.
I like how you end your post with an example of you doing the thing you're saying companies don't do lol
Of course this varies by organization and policy, but it's a real thing that many companies do. "Terminated with cause" aka fired is just one of several separation categories companies may share
I wasn't HR. It wasn't HR calling HR to verify employment. It was a former customer calling for a reference. So yes it can happen that if that OP used the company as a reference, the former manager could take the call and say, "He quit without 2 weeks notice." It isn't standard as your own link confirmed. But that's not hr verifying employment.
"Terminated with cause”
This wasn't terminated with cause, fired or anything like that. The post is about an employee who quit. They are allowed to quit.
I don't know what you're arguing against here, my entire point is that there are some companies that communicate separation status by policy, whether that's "terminated for cause," "resigned without notice," or "resigned with notice," and that "resigned without notice" can negatively impact job opportunities at some companies.
If someone tries to verify employment at my previous job, they will be directed to https://theworknumber.com/, which a metric fuckton of businesses use. When they access the information on that site, they will find my company's HR department has uploaded the name, dates of employment, and reason for separation. I don't understand why you think I'm somehow a proponent or advocate of this, I'm literally just communicating that it exists and is real
Regarding not sharing your previous employer, you're welcome to choose to lie on your resume, but I'm not going to
Except that's not how this works if you were ever in a position to actually verify employment. Every company ever will specifically tell their employees to just confirm whether or not the person used to work there and that's it.
Anything else opens the company up to a lawsuit for slander. The employee is already gone. No company is going to risk a lawsuit just to warn another company of a bad employee.
The large hospital system I used to work for absolutely communicates termination status to other employers, one of those is "resignation without notice," and I knew 2 people who had job offers rescinded other places after verification
It seems like this greatly depends on your manager, rather than a company. Some will try to offer other positions in the company which will count as a layoff for the tops, it seems, but a worker will still be there, some will tell you in the last minute
Get the best sounding friend you know and let them know what you're doing. Say you did landscaping or wallpaper work for someone and give them that friends number doesn't even have to be their real name you give them and boom, you just verified your work history. Obviously depends on what you are applying for you could say computer work or a number of many other things. If you do work like that for someone you're private contracted so they have no way to prove that you didn't do it
Thank you for attempting to bring facts to what looks to be a feelings party - people could literally end up homeless by following this pattern, e.g. if the new job fell through and the one after that checks both previous references, then all the old manager has to do is send that screenshot.
Karma exists, and yes corporations are evil SOBs but that's no reason for us to be so likewise.
And ofc it's a joke meme, but... is it tho? And anyway why downvote you even so? Now I too will accept those alongside you, and I suggest we treat it as a badge of honor at this point, I will hold fast to what is true regardless.
In the United States, that would be illegal. The only information that a company is allowed to give is whether a person is employed or not. Anything else will open them up to legal troubles. So you're right that this conversation could take place, but it wouldn't, and if it did, the former employee can make bank in court for damages.
E: turns out I was mistaken on this as it's what I've been told many times over. However, on a state to state basis, and specifically in my state, information shared is restricted to being work related. I think a nasty text isn't work related, but it could be said that there wasn't a notice given. IANAL, so ignore everything I wrote and don't spread as fact. Be better than me.
They can make bank if they knew. The company can just take back their offer for any reason and they don't have to tell the incoming employee why they did that. You think an HR is going to tell you that they talked to your last employer? No
Former employers can answer a narrow set of questions without opening themselves up to liability. Among them:
dates of employment
documented departure reason
eligible for rehire
status of non-competes
I'm guessing somewhere between the departure reason and "no, we wouldn't rehire this person" the new employer might have some additional questions for the prospective employee.
Some companies deserve to have you quit without notice, fuck 'em, but they are allowed to report some facts to other HR departments who ask.
I'm straight up about to go in and out my employer on notice. Been 9 years, I've had enough. I'm not trying to screw them, so I'm going to give them an opportunity to hire replacements for me before I go. The ball will be in their court.
This was mostly in response to your last paragraph. Not really related, but it feels good to more or less say it out loud.
Giving at least a few days notice is helpful, nobody ever expects you to do anything during that time, they might just send you home or ask you to document and close out your current projects.
After 9 years, what's one of two weeks to avoid souring a potential reference? It feels just as good clocking out that last time as quitting on the spot.
Usually you get "is there anything we can do to keep you", "is there any reason you're quitting" and "when is your last day".
Edit: by souring I mean most employers won't outright badmouth you, but your boss might say good things about you even though you've quit. If there's a chance of that then that is valuable when you negotiate your next job.
I didn't quit, I told them my time here is short and they should figure out my replacements. I don't have a firm timeline, because I'm not sure how my product will play out, but I will be leaving and I will help with the transition. If my opportunity turns into a reality, I will give them a hard date. Also, I'm the only person that does a lot of stuff here, and I know they will hurt without me, so I'm not gonna turn off my phone when I leave and leave them high and dry. If this place treated me really poorly, I'd have no qualms about walking out now, but they didn't, so I'm not.
I mean it's also illegal to get fired for discussing wages with coworkers, but then you get "fired for poor performance/attitude." They don't have to say they did anything wrong. Same here, 2 managers "talking" aren't going to go out of their way to try to get the other in trouble. They'll be happy for the info and not say anything.
A good boss knows that this will impact the rest of the team, and in many cases require discussions about covering shifts, rehiring new people and rebuilding relationships.
Exactly this. If you don't want me to quit without notice, do you also vote against politicians who vote for "right-to-work" legislation?
Yeah, you don't get to write a fucking law that says you can fire me on the spot for any reason at all and then insist that I give you two weeks.
Besides, these days it's a different world - there's a labor shortage. A serious one. Warm body? You're hired. Nobody gives a fuck. They can't afford to. Especially in minimum wage.
Relatedly, my conspiracy theory is that the spate of recent layoffs are coordinated pushback against all the strikes and unionizing as well as pushback against RTO etc. Just a wild idea I had... May be total horseshit, idk.
On the other hand, we have seen collusion in the past within some sectors (e.g., price fixing, no poach agreements, wage fixing), and antitrust violations often go unpunished or weakly penalized, corporate leadership is strongly driven by profit often to the exclusion of ethics and at the expense of all else. And employee compensation is a significant part of most company budgets. So, I think my wild idea is at least somewhat plausible.
It's my fault. I finally got so fed up with blue collar stuff that I decided to start getting into the tech field, then pretty much immediately it all collapsed. Sorry for trying lol
As someone from IT, there isn't really a shortage. There are literal crowds of quite advanced developers searching for jobs. The only problem is that they don't have commercial experience and all companies only want seniors/teamleads/cto's with 10+ years of experience, to do at best middle-level developer's jobs. The shortage is artificial, but, I'm not complaining, as it's the only reason I get paid decent wage.
That’s not a wild conspiracy, that’s just how capitalism works? There is always collusion between capitalists to suppress labour power. Like we have repeated historical exemples of this. And yeah, through the same historical examples, get ready for the rise of fascism lol
I think the layoffs in IT are directly related to AI. I'm in IT and I have been for decades. With AI I can easily say my output has quadrupled. Maybe even more. But when everybody in your workforce can do the work of five people, you can wake up one day and realize your company is overwhelmed with redundancy.
This isn't going to remain limited to just IT and no, it's not just like the Industrial Revolution.
With my current workload I've found extremely limited opportunities for AI to help at all, but I'm certain that'll vary wildy by the individual job duties that fall onto a role
IT as a whole isn’t having a problem, just the developer segment of IT is getting canned because 7/10 people who went into “IT” in the past 20 years got pulled into development work and now there’s too many. IT is a huge sector, development is just a part of it, a part everyone went into because Silicon Valley was paying a ton of $ but not guaranteed stability
