Apple hit with class action lawsuit over iCloud's 5GB limit

narc0tic_bird , 4 months ago

The lawsuit isn't really about the 5 GB free tier, but about being able to use system services like device backups with other cloud providers.

Poorly written headline.

simplejack , 4 months ago

The actual article headline

Apple hit with class action lawsuit over iCloud’s 5GB limit and iPhone backup restrictions

pineapplelover , 4 months ago

Ah ok. I was so confused. I still don't know if it's legal.

simplejack , 4 months ago

I doubt they’re going to win. Apple does allow file and photo backups to other services. This about backing up OS files like preferences whatnot. Which 5gb is probably way more than enough for.

KairuByte , 3 months ago

O.o Can you explain how to do nightly backups of your photos and files to external services? Or are you talking about “other apps are allowed to access these files, and you can set up shortcuts to run apps, and those apps can back up the files” which is extremely different than “Apple lets you back the files up.”

simplejack , 3 months ago

I’ll speak for Dropbox. Dropbox has a setting for it in the photos app. (I have it off right now)

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1ad145b8-b297-4b37-bd02-c0a383c4f1c9.jpeg

And for file, as long as you save your files to your drop box directory, they will be mirrored in the cloud.

KairuByte , 3 months ago

What you’re talking about is more of a happenstance of other things converging on the ability to do this. Apple doesn’t support it, nor do they care if they break it in the future. Think of it like a workaround that just hasn’t been broken by an update (yet).

simplejack , 3 months ago

Apple doesn’t support it, nor do they care if they break it in the future. Think of it like a workaround that just hasn’t been broken by an update (yet).

This is factually incorrect. They have actively supported this stuff, and most notably, recently released a framework so non-Apple remote storage can reliably integrate into iOS / MacOS without needing to maintain a kernel extension.

Go look at the developer documentation and the WWDC sessions around file management if you don’t believe me.

macattack , 4 months ago

Sometimes it's hard to feel sorry for Apple users given the amount of repeated nickeling and diming they go through,yet make excuses for (as seen in the comments). Definitely shades of battered woman syndrome

tsonfeir , 4 months ago

What abuse?

cosmic_slate , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

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deranger , 4 months ago

Apple makes my life as the family sysadmin significantly easier. If I only had to worry about myself I’d do Android with a privacy focused ROM, but I doubt I could handle my entire family doing that. No way am I putting them on stock Android.

It would be nice if there was some competition but I’m not holding my breath.

Enk1 , 4 months ago

Why would you only use a privacy focused ROM and not stock Android, when you use a stock iPhone? Do you think that Apple doesn't collect just as much data on you as Android does? It's literally in the Apple terms of service. They've just conned you into believing their marketing BS.

deranger , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Did you not read my post? I use Apple because it makes managing my family fleet easier. If I were by myself I would use a privacy focused ROM.

I’ve got users to manage, and Apple’s locked down approach makes it significantly easier. Everyone gets updates the same day, and phones are supported for years, not months. Backups are stupid easy if someone needs a replacement. iCloud is forgettable, which is ideal for the children and grandparents I manage.

Apple is collecting data on me, but selling data isn’t their primary business. The same cannot be said for Google, which is one of the reasons I’m not putting my family on stock Google. Apple is the lesser evil.

Enk1 , 3 months ago

Ok, so you were saying you prefer a privacy focused OS but settle for iOS because it's simpler. Fair point.

As far as data collection goes, Google isn't selling it either. Apple and Google are both collecting your data to assign you to certain demographics. They then sell ad space, and the people that purchase those ads can select the demographic they want it to go to. It's not ideal, but it's certainly better than them selling your actual personal data to third parties.

andrew , 4 months ago

This sounds like something that hasn't been true for 5-10 years tbh. At least not within the Pixel family. I upgrade phones without a single hiccup. My older phones are still around and used daily by my kids with no problema. I've had to wipe a phone and restore from the cloud backup and it was a matter of minutes to be usable, and was effectively like nothing had happened as soon as my apps and their data finished downloading.

cosmic_slate , 4 months ago

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andrew , 4 months ago

I don't deny it might feel foreign to someone using iOS daily for decades. But that's not the statement. The statement was that iOS does things like upgrades, backup restoration, and value retention better, which just isn't true anymore.

I use both, actually, because Android tablets in my experience have been pretty disappointing, so I'm pretty familiar with both ecosystems.

Sanctus , 4 months ago

I setup both for work. On this front there is hardly any difference. For the average user, it now comes down to OS and device preference. I manage my family's apple and google accounts and neither was much harder than the other. Now, for work, preparing an iPhone is much, much more complicated than an Android device. This, once again, only matters if you don't have automated enrollment from your business carrier into your MDM.

fidodo , 4 months ago

I have had zero issues restoring or moving between android phones. What in the world are you talking about?

Meanwhile my mom forgot her apple password and their customer support was so unhelpful she had to get a new account after talking to them for months. They refused to let her reset her password.

Zagorath , 4 months ago

There is nothing like it on Android

In the past, I've always made a conscious choice not to try to do it that way on Android. Getting a new phone is a good chance to reset, only install apps that I specifically still use, etc.

But in the past, I've always replaced a phone because the old one was so old the battery couldn't get through even one day, so I had plenty of time to manually back up and take care of any specific data I really needed to be sure about. Recently, I had to get a new phone prematurely after I crashed and landed directly on the old one. So I did use the Pixel's restore functionality as I upgraded from the broken Pixel 6 Pro to the new Pixel 7a. And it was completely seamless. Kept me logged in to apps that I never thought would stay logged in, remembered wifi passwords, everything.

Of course, all of that was only possible because I casted my screen to my TV and plugged in a mouse and keyboard. The screen was too broken to approve the transfer otherwise.

Scubus , 4 months ago

On the other hand, the phone just works,

Same with android

upgrades between devices are seamless,

Same with android

and the phone retains value after 4 years.

Aight you got me there, except for that apple has been proven in court to slow down their older models of phones

Plus, the backup restoration is insane. If you stole my phone, I’d be back to where I was within an hour or two

Same with android

— all of which is driving to Apple and waiting on a sales clerk to pull an iPhone from the back, then going to a store owned by my cell carrier to register the device on their network.

I just go to walmart

No device re-customization at all in the equation.

Same with android

There is nothing like it on Android.

False

5GB is a lame amount for a base tier of storage in 2024 but it’s hardly abuse.

I agree, if people are willing to buy into apple they get what apple serves them.

It's pretty cool how you can just download any app and install it, also how you can customize the phone to look however you want, run whatever software you want, and all for under $200

Oh wait

AVengefulAxolotl , 3 months ago

Stop it! You make android look good, oh no!

/s

Fisch , 3 months ago

Actually, there's something exactly like that on Android too. Just like on iOS, you also don't have the choice to back that up to where you want tho. You have to use Google Drive if you're not using a custom ROM like LineageOS.

NOT_RICK , 4 months ago

Does android offer free storage for cloud backups?

itwasawednesday , 4 months ago

Drive is 15 GB

sigmaklimgrindset , 4 months ago

Can't iPhone users use Drive?

bitwolf , 4 months ago

Yes. Although it is limited in what you can back up afaik

NOT_RICK , 4 months ago

So marginally better, thought so

Enk1 , 4 months ago

3x as much is "marginally better." What world do you Apple zealots live in?

NOT_RICK , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

15gb ain’t much either, and drive works on iOS to boot. So I guess earth?

Edit:
Google Drive free tier: 15gb
Google Drive 100gb: $2/month
iCloud free tier: 5gb
iCloud 50gb: $1/month

Wow, what a radical difference in offerings. I am definitely just like a battered woman

QuaternionsRock , 4 months ago

The problem stated in the lawsuit is that you can’t use alternative backup providers on iOS, while you (presumably?) can on Android. Apple has no real competition in the device backup space, as they prevent third-parties from providing an equivalent service. (Notice the word equivalent - iTunes backups don’t count.) It’s a perfectly reasonable complaint IMO.

I say this as someone who prefers iCloud for its encryption features.

NOT_RICK , 4 months ago

That’s reasonable. I think iOS/iPadOS overall are in dire need of being more open. iPad especially since they’re at the point where they could largely replace laptops but are hamstrung by being so locked down. I still think it’s obnoxious to compare people with different opinions to domestic abuse victims

Kusimulkku , 4 months ago

It's three times more lmao

AA5B , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

Wait, really? I haven’t checked that in a couple years but my Home Assistant backups are broken because out of Google drive space and it shouldn’t use anywhere near that amount - Damn, now I’m going to have to actually check it out

Edit: it was full of random crap. Good news it was trivial to clear space but now i have to figure out why some of that was there and whether is have copies

itwasawednesday , 3 months ago

Ahh, a fellow HA user spotted in the wild!

Fisch , 3 months ago

As far as I know, Android also doesn't give you the option to back up system and app data to something else than Google Drive. LineageOS gives you that option but they implemented that themselves.

willya , 3 months ago

That’s a pretty sick analogy. It’s crazy the levels you guys take these Apple feuds to.

Thann , 4 months ago

What!? the company that weaponizes vendor-lockin the most is overcharging for their service!?!?!

narc0tic_bird , 4 months ago

9,99€ per month for 2 TB seems pretty normal to me. Google Drive is the same price iirc, and other providers have similar pricing.

Fisch , 3 months ago

That's still expensive tho. After 10 months you could've just bought a 2tb nvme instead. Or a refurbished 10tb HDD.

narc0tic_bird , 3 months ago

Of course, but that's an alternative you still have. As long as you have a computer, you can backup your phone to it just fine. The $100 for the drive also doesn't factor in redundancy, bandwidth cost, power cost and maintenance.

Fisch , 3 months ago

You're right about the last part, I didn't think about that. But wasn't the whole point of this that you can only backup your system and app data to iCloud? Can you back that up using a computer as well?

narc0tic_bird , 3 months ago

Yes, you can. If you choose to protect the backup with a password, it's actually a more complete backup as it also backs up things like sessions, so you don't have to login again to most apps after restoring.

Fisch , 3 months ago

So it backs up system settings, app data and stuff as well, right? But do you just need a PC for that or does it have to be a Mac?

narc0tic_bird , 3 months ago

Yes, it backs up pretty much everything, including app data. Apps themselves will need to redownload from the App Store though, just like with iCloud backups.

Apple officially supports device backups on Macs (integrated into Finder) or Windows via this app: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9np83lwlpz9k

Fisch , 3 months ago

Interesting. Still sucks that they don't give you the option to choose a cloud provider for this but I didn't expect them to just let you use your PC.

willya , 3 months ago

And you’re able to do that…

simplejack , 4 months ago

Meh, they let you use whatever service you want, just not for some of the OS and app preference files - which are well under 5gb.

If you want to back up your media and docs to Dropbox, go for it.

AA5B , 3 months ago

I could join the 5GB club as well - after maybe ten years in the Apple ecosystem, my iPhone backup is 4.1GB.

Separately I have 28GB photos that could be synched to any service

I buy 2TB iCloud because I have multiple devices, share the space with a family of four, and use it for cloud storage from my PC

SuperSpruce , 3 months ago

I read this article, because it's absurd to make a class action lawsuit about the free tier remaining at only 5GB. Apple has the right to give as much or little away for free.

Instead, the lawsuit is about something a lot more lawsuit worthy: The fact that you cannot backup your iPhone with other cloud service providers, providing an unfair advantage to iCloud. This should definitely be illegal.

Additionally, can we have a lawsuit over excessive storage markups (that are over ~2x the gross margin of the device)? This is also basically pure profit.

akilou , 4 months ago

“There is no technological or security justification for Apple mandating the use of iCloud for Restricted Files,” the lawsuit reads.

Wouldn't this argument also be true for everything else Apple restricts you from doing? Texting app, browser, Apple music on a home pod, etc? (I don't have a lot of good examples because I don't have an i thing but I'm sure there are more)

bitwolf , 4 months ago

This is Apple's face falling brick my brick. The app store was just the start

Natanael , 3 months ago

There's already a ruling they have to allow other browser engines

soggy_kitty , 3 months ago

How are you guys reading this article? It took me 5-10mins of unchecking each cookie vendor one by one before I gave up.

Modern internet is a shit show

plumpard , 3 months ago

I’ve always wondered whether I should bother about doing this. I assumed if I read the article in a Private Browser, no cookies are stored, and therefore none of my information is tracked?

soggy_kitty , 3 months ago

I'm not quite sure if they're allowed to use your IP to index your history or not. If you use private browser and VPN you'll be fine.

I've just never worked out how to easily open private browsers from my mobile sync client

Venator , 3 months ago

I've just never worked out how to easily open private browsers from my mobile sync client

I think the easiest way is to use the share ... menu to get the link and then paste it in the private browser.

But yeah, no way to stop the keyboard app from seeing the link once it's in the clipboard... And Google also probably gets it from the android share functionality...

Zink , 3 months ago

Privacy badger turned up to max

Evotech , 3 months ago

The ddg browser on my phone just kinda does it automatically

soggy_kitty , 3 months ago

Thanks, I just installed it and now I can use the share button to load the article in ddg.

I'll consider switching to it as my default browser if it doesn't let me down over the coming weeks.

Honestly thanks for sharing with your comment

Evotech , 3 months ago

You're welcome. I've used it for a long time without issues.. take a look at the app tracking protection in the settings too. Works well

cheese_greater , 3 months ago

One thing Apple device browsers get so right is ReadingMode. Brave and Orion have the best in my opinion but that list is not exhaustive

dotMonkey , 3 months ago

What's good about Apple device browsers reading mode compared to others?

cheese_greater , 3 months ago

It takes away all the cookie shit and you can adjust the background to be light, dark, or sepia and manipulate the actual appearence of the text in whatever way is most pleasing for you and you can set it to default to that on all non-search engine pages+easily untoggle it if you need the original appearence

It really cleans it up but I love the making everything dark for night time. Nothing i hate more than bright white backgrounds to articles or pages I wanna read at night without screwing my sleep

dotMonkey , 3 months ago

Sounds similar to what's available for me on Samsung Browser. I thought these would've been default options on all browsers!

cheese_greater , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

What are the privacy deets for Samsung Browser tho. I try to go for the check mark (No data collected) but thats AppStore stuff. Look into it if you can, I suspect they collect your content/searches and tie it to you

If so, i hope ur behaving u messy beast ;)

SuperSpruce , 3 months ago

Firefox for Android

johnyrocket , 4 months ago

I hope they loose this lawsuit and set a precedent that Samsung also has to follow. At least Samsung gives you the choice between onedrive and Google, but still no choice for generic WebDav...

BaardFigur , 4 months ago

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cheese_greater , 3 months ago

That 2

vox , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

well you can add ftp/sftp/samba storage as "native", just not webdav

ramble81 , 4 months ago

This is an extra service they don’t have to offer. If they wanted to they could just drop the free tier altogether. You have space on your phone and you can back it up to your computer as well. I do t see the point of this lawsuit except “wah, they’re not giving me enough stuff for free!”

LaggyKar , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

This is an extra service they don’t have to offer.

No, they could let you use someone else's service instead, but they've chosen to block that.

you can back it up to your computer as well

According to the article you literally can't

Although based on the comments there, the article may be wrong on that point

reddig33 , 4 months ago

The article is wrong.

stoly , 4 months ago

You can still do backups to your desktop like you used to do, it's just not usually necessary.

theangryseal , 4 months ago

I need to get my old shit off of my old computers and move it to iCloud. I’m paying for it, might as well fill it up. I’d like to look at photos without browsing old ass green drives.

I won’t do it though.

4am , 4 months ago

Amazon Photos works. Dropbox works. NextCloud works. What service are they blocking?

AProfessional , 4 months ago

iCloud backup is core to the OS, all user settings and app data is there. You can manually do it on a Mac apparently but no other service.

Somethingcheezie , 4 months ago

I paid for a MacOS app to do it. Works great

Syncios or something

Kusimulkku , 4 months ago

Apple nevertheless arbitrarily requires that its mobile device holders use iCloud to back up certain file types—mainly, device settings as well as apps and apps data (“Restricted Files”). With respect to other file types—e.g., photos and videos (“Accessible Files”)—Apple mobile device holders can select from other cloud-based storage providers servicing the market, including Google Drive, Sync.com, pCloud, and others.

According to the suit

reddig33 , 4 months ago

This is a stupid lawsuit. You can back up your phone locally using iTunes and Finder and the new device app on Windows. You can also back it up using third party software. No one is forcing you to use iCloud.

Brkdncr , 4 months ago

Many services depends on iCloud to work. Message sync and sharing Notes for instance. If your backups are taking up all your storage these things stop working right. It’s dumb.

IamAnonymous , 4 months ago

Messages sync without being on iCloud backup.

CM400 , 4 months ago

You get a free computer with purchase of an iPhone? Neat!

homesweethomeMrL , 4 months ago

What’s a “computer”?

reddig33 , 4 months ago

You get a free backup to the cloud with purchase of a computer? Neat!

You get a free external backup drive with the purchase of a computer? Neat!

___ , 4 months ago

Your computer allows you to backup native app data to other cloud drives? Neat!

simplejack , 4 months ago

Y’all realize that paying for a backup device has been a thing since the dawn of computing, right?

It doesn’t matter if the hard drive is in my house, or in a server farm. Someone is going to sell me the space.

CM400 , 4 months ago

I was just trying to point out that not everyone has a computer they can “just” backup to.

Kusimulkku , 4 months ago

Seems the issue is what you can back up on the phone and where

Apple nevertheless arbitrarily requires that its mobile device holders use iCloud to back up certain file types—mainly, device settings as well as apps and apps data (“Restricted Files”). With respect to other file types—e.g., photos and videos (“Accessible Files”)—Apple mobile device holders can select from other cloud-based storage providers servicing the market, including Google Drive, Sync.com, pCloud, and others.

cheese_greater , 4 months ago

I hope this forces their hand in having to allow other actual e2e cloud services, its legititmately bullshit we even need to have this convo :(

lepinkainen , 3 months ago

I’d love to use my 2TB iCloud with my Android devices

Brkdncr , 4 months ago

I hate this the most about my iPhone. I’m currently on my 3rd Apple device, but you don’t get more storage every time you buy one. So if you have an iPhone and an iPad you’re still stuck with 5gb, and it’s shared with you backups and your cloud-based apps like photo sync, message sync. That 5gb is gone pretty quick.

It’s easy enough to sync photos elsewhere, but not messages. So the $1/mo storage upgrade becomes really attractive.

I hope this opens up their backup service but I doubt it.

reddig33 , 4 months ago

Apple gives you free iCloud storage to back up your phone when you get a new device.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/104980

You can also sync phone to phone when upgrading as part of the setup assistant, without needing iCloud storage.

Brkdncr , 4 months ago

You don’t get “more” storage though. And if you have even just one iPad your storage is gone really quick between the two devices.

Dariusmiles2123 , 4 months ago

Oh it’s good to know. Thanks

stoly , 4 months ago

It's shared across the account, the devices don't matter. That's what makes it seamless.

Brkdncr , 4 months ago

My issue is that you don’t get more space for each active device you add to the account.

stoly , 3 months ago

And the point is that the data you share across them is identical. Additional devices does not create additional data, your usage of them does.

Brkdncr , 3 months ago

So your live data doesn’t get saved in the device backup?

stoly , 3 months ago

It does--if you are signed in to all locations and have the sync settings turned on across them all, then all data will be uploaded. But if you have more photos across all devices than your plan will allow for upload, then anything extra will no longer upload unless you pay for additional space.

IamAnonymous , 4 months ago

You don’t need to backup messages to iCloud for it to sync across devices. I have multiple iPhones and iPads on one account and don’t come across this issue because I backup photos to my laptop.

Brkdncr , 4 months ago

Your messages share the 5gb space with the backups.

IamAnonymous , 4 months ago

Yes, they do. If you set it up that way to store messages on the cloud.

simplejack , 4 months ago

Apple does let you use any cloud backup service you want… just not for the OS and app preference files. Those go to iCloud, but those are also highly unlikely to hit 5gb.

When you cloud restore with your media backed up to something like Dropbox, this is what happens.

1. After logging into iCloud, iOS checks iCloud for the apps you had installed, and it downloads the latest compatible versions from the store. Then, iOS pulls down OS and app preferences from iCloud

2. Launch Dropbox, or similar, to pull down your backed up media and files.

Apple gets no money for storage, but Dropbox gets a check.

sebinspace , 3 months ago

After ten years, I hit 5GB. I upgraded to 200GB.

For $3/month

There are many, many reasons to bash the shit out of Apple until you’re left with applesauce, and this is the one they chose?

Whatever, guys..

cheese_greater , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

They need to make it your choice (of compliant options where compliant != neutering for the USgovernment) for the default background running option tho, you're not defending the hero we deserve, only what is forced by their lax regulation

Right now, Apple selectively degrades the experience of effortless syncing thru any other modality than its in-house inferior option. That is wrong and monopolistic and antitrust-worthy action now that the technology is ubiquitous and Applehas the tools to ensure its done consistent with the Apple walled garden gestalt. A gated garden would not be so bad, hell, everybody has one basically

I can't wait till we get all the Europe stuff! And I'm all in on Apple, i just don't gratuitously defend their nonsense (upvoted by the way, im not the naysayer. You raise an important defense that needs to be dismantled)

sebinspace , 3 months ago

you raise an important defense that needs to be dismantled

Holy shit. Is.. is that a fucken rational thinker?

on the Internet‽

cheese_greater , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

The Obstacle is the Way bro

Honestly + selfishly, it makes more sense to uvote for visibillity if you have a child comment you want to be seen so you can

1. do justice to a thesis you believe is incorrect
2. Justice can be seen to have been done to the thesis you believe is incorrect

Its just straightup the most correct approach in my view

AbackDeckWARLORD , 3 months ago

Launch Dropbox, or similar, to pull down your backed up media and files.

It's not nearly as smooth as having the native solution though, which I believe is what this lawsuit is about. For example, the feature that lets you upload images to iCloud and delete them off your phone, but still have them visible in your photo app comes to mind.

simplejack , 3 months ago

You should take a peak at Google photos does on iOS. It’s basically Apple’s photos app, but all connected to Google’s cloud services. You can autobackup, keep stuff mirrored, keep stuff only in the cloud, only local, a mix of both, etc. I don’t know if it’s smart enough to automatically clear up local space if you don’t interact with a file very often, but I don’t see why a 3rd party developer couldn’t build that.

db2 , 4 months ago

Even Google gives you three times that.

tsonfeir , 4 months ago

Well, they make so much money on selling the content of your files, they better give you a lot of space.

itsnotits , 4 months ago

they'd* better give you

tsonfeir , 4 months ago

“They better give” is a colloquial and more informal version of the above, often used in spoken English or casual writing. It drops the auxiliary verb “had,” which is grammatically necessary but often omitted in informal speech. The meaning is the same as “they’d better give,” but it’s less formal.

Enk1 , 4 months ago

Right, because Apple doesn't collect your data, even though it says they do right in the terms of service you agreed to without reading.

tsonfeir , 4 months ago

Of course they collect it. But they don’t sell it, because Apple doesn’t like to share and they don’t need that money.

akilou , 4 months ago

That's not even how it works. No one sells your data, they sell access to what the data means.

tsonfeir , 4 months ago

Yes we all know this. They don’t sell that either. They may use that to advance their own technology, but as I said before, Apple doesn’t like to share their toys.

Enk1 , 3 months ago

Bless your heart

tsonfeir , 3 months ago

I’m open to changing my mind with evidence.

mindlight , 4 months ago

But then again, you never know when the service you rely on will be canned by Google.

How many Instant Messengers have we(yes, I'm an Android user) been through now?

BearOfaTime , 4 months ago

I have half a dozen messengers on my phone, none of them from Google.

I stopped using Google apps after they dropped SMS integration with whatever version of their integrated messaging system in about 2010.

I can't trust their products to continue to work, so I just won't use them.

stoly , 4 months ago

LOL I was just talking about that. SMS integration was amazing.

stoly , 4 months ago

Do you remember when they allowed you to combine SMS and Chat messages into the same app and you would see them merged together in one long chat? Those were the days.

IamAnonymous , 4 months ago

Is it shared with gmail? Or will it be separate? Because my gmail is always 14gb+ full.

db2 , 4 months ago

Unfortunately it's shared.

reddig33 , 4 months ago

Your Gmail sits on Google’s servers, just like IMAP email accounts. If you go to a brand new device and log in with your gmail account info, it will download from Google.

Midnight1938 , 4 months ago

Microsoft does 5gb too though

stoly , 4 months ago

So they seem to be arguing that Apple isn't spending enough money to offer a free service it never had to offer because reasons.

Kusimulkku , 4 months ago

I mean from the article it seemed like not being able to backup completely to different cloud platforms was the bigger issue

penquin , 4 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

It really sucks what they do. I have an iPad for the kids and it always complains about storage being full and offers me the "upgrade". I will never pay them that $1.

Edit: "downvotes" don't mean shit on Lemmy, and I'm getting them because I dislike how apple is fucking people side ways. I wasn't gonna say this, but it really is very hard to feel bad for the apple sheep. No matter what apple does they scream "give it to me harder, daddy cook". Stop being loyal to corporations, not a single corporation on earth gives a shit about you. Literally zero.

brbposting , 4 months ago

Disabling iCloud backup should eliminate the upgrade nag. Can tap iCloud (the profile photo) at the top of Settings, and start unchecking. You might have enough space to still back up e.g. contacts, so you shouldn’t have to disable everything.

penquin , 4 months ago

I'll check that out. Thank you.

Pika , 3 months ago

does it still have the "we noticed you are running out of space, turn on cloud to free up device space" nag? I haven't used apple in years but that one drove me crazy

brbposting , 3 months ago

Good question, it might!

IamAnonymous , 4 months ago

Go to backup settings and turn off photos and messages. You only need essentials like calendar, notes, health, passwords etc.

penquin , 4 months ago

Thank you. Photos are already off. I'll turn off messages, too. Storage gets filled because my 6 year old daughter loves to make videos of herself pretending she's making YouTube videos showing her toys😂

cheese_greater , 3 months ago

I think a lot of Apple stuff is paid astroturfing. Its so obvious, like a domestic abuse victim or a chump who doesn't realize they're being screwed. It would be fun to watch if they were any other ecosystem inhabitant than the same one I use predominantly

penquin , 3 months ago

Stockholm syndrome is what it is.

cheese_greater , 3 months ago

This actually