No surprise. Nobody talks about new Google projects any more, since the assumption is they'll be gone in a year.
Edit: Not even hyperbole. This very article states Keen was launched in 2020 and stopped receiving updates in 2021. They shelved it in literally a year.
My understanding is that Google "rates" its leaders by the number and types of projects they develop. Ergo there are a lot of people working on disparate items that often overlap, because it's "their" project. Once the project completes, they get their credit, stop caring, and move on to the next. It is said this is why google creates then kills so much. It's by design, essentially. The products they keep are the ones that make the most ad revenue.
Yup. Even if Google came out with a really cool service tomorrow that I found far better than alternatives, I still wouldn't use it, because unless I'm very lucky, it'll be axed at some point. And Google has only themselves to blame.
I'll happily shout from the rooftops about my dislike of Apple (their philosophy, faux environmentalism, price-gouging, anti-competitive, anti-repair BS, I could go on for a while), but when was the last time they did this? The fucking Newton? Sure the iPod was axed, but I think it's fairer to say the market axed MP3 players, rather than Apple axed the iPod.
If Apple announces something, you can be almost certain it'll still be around in a decade.
Look at Apple Maps. It was an absolute joke when it came out and people mocked and memed it relentlessly.
If Google were in that position, they'd have just scrapped it and moved on to their next project that'd probably be scrapped too.
Fuck Google's dumb businesses practices, and fuck them for making me say something to Apple's credit. Makes me feel dirty.
My point was that ads are a big part of the typical user's experience, and it is hypocritical to believe AI needs to be disclosed but not apply that to paid content.
What? Didnt you know the government is giving away 6400.00 to everybody if you but only claim it by filling out this form on my sketchy website with all your personal info....?
I would say they are known for skirting the edge of the law, sometimes getting in trouble but usually not, or at least nothing serious. They don't outright break it, and the software re-installing might not break it. Whatever happens, you can bet they'll do the most anti-consumer thing they may be allowed to get away with.
Yeah, that'll be hard. I'm trying to use Peertube but network effect is big on YT (not sure if that's the right expression here, noone is using Peertube, everyone is on YT).
Odysee takes a lot of curation to even be usable. You can block whole channels easily and they won't show up for you anywhere, but once you've blocked all the RWB you're left with mostly tech, gaming, and reactions. And this is despite Odysee/LBRY having been around for years.
Yeah, that’ll be hard. I’m trying to use Peertube but network effect is big on YT (not sure if that’s the right expression here, noone is using Peertube, everyone is on YT).
We don't need a new platform. We need 20 new platforms, and authors can post on whichever ones are best for them. Have real competition and real incentive to be better.
Sort of true, except YouTube. I watch almost exclusively YouTube few hours every day. If it opens by mistake in a browser, it is totally unwatchable with ads inserted even in short videos. I hope reVanced will manage to avoid detection somehow, otherwise it is quite hopeless. Yes, I can pay for premium, but the app will be full of stupid crap and no gesture controls.
No, it does not access your account at all and stores subscribed channels locally within the app. But there might be a way to transfer your subscriptions over if you can find a way to export them from your youtube account.
YouTube is the only one that doesn't have an alternative. I mean, there are other video hosts yes, but the content isn't there.
The creators need to start moving. Their fans will likely follow, since it's not YouTube they are there for. But I don't think anyone else offering free, large scale video hosting does much more, if even that, than what YouTube does. Even if it sucks, it's better than nothing, so there is no incentive to move for anyone.
Problem being that there is no real incentive to do so, unless PeerTube finds a way to pay content creators. Until then, switching away from YouTube means loosig their revenue stream...requiring them to take up jobs to pay the bills and eventually have less time for content creation.
unless PeerTube finds a way to pay content creators
Google is a for-profit organization. Framasoft, which developed PeerTube, is a non-profit one. The only way to pay content creators is when people donate money to PeerTube and then PeerTube share that money with creators. Which is also difficult because there are no trackers to know internally who has more subscribers or which video has more views, etc. Internally as using a tracker, but you have to visit one by one every channel and every video to know its numbers.
Some of the creators I follow are moving.... Kind of. Most of their videos get taken down for some stupid ass reason so they're going to places like patreon and whatever other platform you have to pay a monthly sub to. Which at that point, I just don't watch them.
Most of their fans won't follow. Convenience is a powerful thing.
There also really aren't other options. Anyone being able to sign up and host video for free is an extremely expensive service to provide if people take you up on it.
Unfortunately, the creators won't move to a platform that doesn't have users to watch them. And users won't bother with a platform that doesn't have creators to watch.
While this can be overcome... Yeah, I think googie will need to fork up yootoob a lot more before enough on both sides are willing to jump ship en masse
Some fans would follow. If 100% of their subscribed channels moved tomorrow, 90% still wouldn't move to the new platform for a meaningful length of time.
That's a stupid point to make tbh, because the most important information, knowledge and entertainment is on their platforms in a quality and quantity that is unprecedented. Meaning you can try to avoid it, but from time to time you have to use google/gmaps/yt/...
And that's coming from me.. someone who degoogled their smartphone.
Realistically Google Search and Google Maps don't provide anything unique that isn't provided by competitors, although a) they may provide a superior experience, and b) the competitors are not necessarily much more palatable (that is, Bing Search and Bing Maps are hardly a great ethical improvement).
YouTube is probably the only Google service where this is a genuine monopoly of sorts. That is, content that is on YouTube is not generally available on other platforms, and if you want to watch that content you have to watch it on YouTube. We might all live for the day when all content creators are dual-hosting in PeerTube or the like too, but we're a long long way from that right now.
Although I write that as someone who only very rarely actually uses YouTube, because largely the content isn't to my interest. Other than my local football club's channel, I can't think of anything on there that I actually seek out.
They do provide sth unique, because open source/privacy friendly alternatives are not supporting the same features to a full extent in one solution with a simple UX. And even Bing, as you mentioned and other competitors, fall short. I'm using Startpage (based on Google) and OSM most of the times and I'm happy with it, but sometimes I gotta check restaurant ratings or satellite view etc. Also route planning is way more convenient on gmaps even if I don't use it. There's probably more as well, which I'm not aware of.
Yes exactly, YouTube is the only google service I use almost everyday (besides Startpage).. but I wouldn't know what to do without it.
Problem is, there's shitton of content that needs to be archived and moved from YouTube, if YouTube stops to exist then all tutorials and teaching videos and all previously produced content will be gone, people want this content, so only true solution is somehow archive all YouTube videos and move them from YouTube, until it's done, YouTube will have monopoly, and it's bad situation we've found ourselves in
Yes, the only problem is storage, with development of bcachefs it could be possible to have raid6 and block level deduplication and transparent compression, because content would be archived by the community after all and common people like you and me can't build whole datacenters, but just homelabs from used PCs and secondhand server HDDs
The bigger proplem is copyright. Google will fight for 'their' creators if they discover you archiving anything. They don't own copyrights but will tell the court that if the creator wanted their content on peertube they would have put it there.
Off Google - super easy
Off Gmail - you'll still be fighting to get into someone inbox but there are many options still
Off Chrome - getting harder and harder, the only option is Firefox
Off YouTube - sorry, nowhere to go
Check if they have channels elsewhere, a few of mine are on Odysee or Nebula. If that's the case, look into Grayjay, which is an Android app to access a bunch of video services with one interface. It's still a bit rough, but it's serviceable, and it allows downloading videos, which is cool.
google meet and google forms are the only thing that still makes me use google from time to time. youtube is another story since idt there is a good alternative for that, nope not peertube sorry.
I honestly don't have a problem buying stuff from Google, provided they don't get to hoover up my data. And I can buy that Google Phone from eBay or something instead.
My main issue is not that the phones are Google but that they are flagships only. Completely unaffordable new, cost like a normal phone when used thus overpriced for their condition, and the only ones that cost somewhat like a normal phone new are the ones on which Graphene is EOL. I guess EOL Graphene is still better than a stock OS with updates, but a full phone price for something out of support is still massive overpaying.
I'm excited about Linux phones like the Pinephone, but they're really not ready for anything more than Linux enthusiasts to flex. I was hoping to switch, but I need a new phone now, so I'll probably get a Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it. At least that way I control what data Google gets access to.
YouTube is not a mandatory necessity. We live in a world of infinite sources of recreation. Get off YouTube has absolutely no requirement for an alternative to exist. Like alcohol, music, books, or whatever, you can only just not do it.
Youtube is a fantastic learning tool for diy, how to vids, reviews, education, etc. The lost goes on, and yea it has crap too, but there's so much use for it in every day life also. Brushing it off would be literally like saying "dlstay away from books, there's so many other things you could be looking at".
I'm waiting for the constant big drama when it turns out Big Popular Youtuber of the Week gets accused of using/not using Ai and it turns out the oppsite is true.
Be honest. Do you think either of their 2 parties will spend any time going after their own big tech like this? Big tech has their fingers deep into politics pockets.
In a voting system where they can be only 1 representative and you can only vote for 1 then the better a 3rd party does the more likely the established main party they dislike the most wins.
People know this and still vote 3rd party as neither main party will make the voting system more representative (that would hurt their chances of winning next time).
It's sweet that you think the average person has an actual effect on the direction our government takes. The only way to get stuff done is mass protest, and we sure as hell aren't getting people to protest deleting Edge when we have much, much bigger problems here atm.
You imagine a different election result with more people voting, else why say that. So what happens with more people voting? The lesser evil wins? A 3rd party winning in first past the post voting system with electoral college? Maybe you should say something more thoughtful.
Not my system but what are people supposed to do then?
I can talk to people; explain why the current system is bad and suggest more representative voting systems, but I have no idea if that has an outcome better than saying "you should vote, or surrender /s".
No. This is not great. This is older than all of my kids. Fuck.. this is older than my partner. This is not a good thing, this is far beyond the point where it should be open source. Where the fuck is DOS 6.22? Eh? Or Windows 3.11? This is stupid and dumb. Not to be celebrated.
It's just self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. No one trust Google to keep anything around for more than a couple years so they don't use it. Then it gets scrapped as a failure and everyone is proven correct.
yep. I don't go near Google products anymore because I know I'm gonna have to migrate a short while later. I don't understand how they're not seeing this
In this case, probably. I don’t think the world was asking for a Pinterest clone.
But the problem is, Google does this with everything.
Stadia had an incredibly successful moment with the Cyberpunk launch. Yet Google failed to hype it up, and then announced about two months later that they were laying off a bunch of devs.
At the same time, they restructured the monetization and improved the client, making it a really compelling service. And all the news was “Stadia is dead”. And then it was.
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