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Own a Roku TV or streaming device? You're about to see a lot more ads on your home screen

Ugh. Roku was one of the platforms with fewer ads.

  • Roku will be adding more ads to the home screens of its devices and TVs in the near future.
  • The ads will be interactive and 'shoppable' and will cover a range of industries, including restaurants and cars.
  • Roku already has a significant amount of ads on its home screen, and it is unclear if users will be able to change their preferences for the new ads.
Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Wild idea - if you’re concerned about ads, maybe don’t buy the streaming box or TV that puts permanent ads on its remotes.

Yoz ,

People are not that smart.

AnActOfCreation OP ,
@AnActOfCreation@programming.dev avatar

Which ones don't?

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had a bunch of streaming boxes and smart TVs, and my old AppleTV is the one I usually go back to. None are perfect, but it annoys me the least.

AnActOfCreation OP ,
@AnActOfCreation@programming.dev avatar

Maybe I should say which new ones haha. It's getting hard to find sadly.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

As I have found trying to see if I can sideload or jailbreak or otherwise hack the software of my Samsung TV, I have found plenty of ways to totally disable ads on a Roku or Android TV or anything that runs on Android in general (Chromecast, and firestick also IIRC). Too bad I don't have one of those... 😩

kadu ,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

After all the issues with software updates, ads, and just overall terrible experience of TV operating systems and those little media boxes, I just finally accepted that my life is better using my TV as a dumb screen that's connected to a PC and then using Steam Big Picture for games and Jellyfin for media.

Stovetop ,

Inb4 Toyota ads start popping up in your Steam library.

Schmidtster ,

It’s already in some games unfortunately…

WhatAmLemmy ,

That sounds like it's determined by the game developer and has nothing to do with steam.

Schmidtster ,

It is, but steam does have its own form of advertising. Their front page is all ads for games and sales, go to your library there is ads for updates for your games.

It just seems to be acceptable since it’s their ecosystem content, but it’s still ads for all intent and purposes.

RedditWanderer ,

Yeah, for games. Ads for games on steam makes sense, you're literally browsing a shop. You won't see a random ad for a car or wtv on steam

Schmidtster ,

Ads are ads, just because it from the same ecosystem is moot. I don’t need the steamdeck paraded in my face on every page I view. It’s ads

RedditWanderer ,

Ok buddy, next youre going to tell me the stuff you see on the shelves in the store are ads lmao

Schmidtster ,

That’s an apt comparison actually, since yeah stores do have ads as well as products….

https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/7d0e6540-3255-426a-8750-4da1f766f9c5.webp

Edit picture doesn’t seem to be working, here

Hate ,

Ads are ads, just because it from the same ecosystem is moot.

so should Steam not have any game discovery features? Is it bad for Steam to display "trending games" because it's technically advertising them by showcasing them?

Schmidtster ,

If people bitch about ads, than they shouldn’t find those acceptable either. You can have a store and showcase products without the additional ads.

Hate ,

go to your library there is ads for updates for your games.

I have no problem with patch notes

Schmidtster ,

Except it’s for any “game news”….., so if they are peddling another game of theirs, it shows up there as well. Or we are selling a plushie, it’s there in the same place. It’s not just patch notes dude… and never has been either.

freebee ,

It's an ad if the update is a DLC.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

After various trial and error, not to mention irritation, I have determined that this is the way. It's what I did in the dark ages back in the day (with a Pentium 3 that had enough hardware acceleration to play DVD's!) and it's what I do once more. By hook or by crook, one way or another you're guaranteed to be able to retain complete control over a PC even if that ultimately means you have to install some flavor of Linux on the fucking thing.

You can get a perfectly capable media center PC for very little money if you don't need it to be able to run AAA games, which in my case I don't. Even the various nanocomputer boards like one of the beefier Raspberry Pi's or any of its myriad competitors can do the job these days, fit in a tiny enclosure, make no noise, and consume very little power.

Fuck all the Chromecasts, Fire sticks, Roku boxes, Apple TV's, and other sundry and bullshit devices of the world.

deweydecibel ,

Nvidia SHIELD is still ok, because it's Android TV, and you can install custom launchers on Android. Therefore no ads on your home screen.

Granted, Nvidia is letting the SHIELD line twist in the wind, and the most recent model is from 2019, but it's not outmoded just yet. I'll still be using mine for a number of years.

FunderPants ,

The shield is great for the reasons you mention here. I use primal launcher and have a custom home screen experience without annoying ads.

The shield also outputs music over HDMI without resampling, which makes it awesome for my digital music listening, except the app support is lame.

deweydecibel ,

Yeah unfortunately Android TV is neglected versus Roku and Firestick and so on, but most major apps are there, and you can sideload shit.

Odelay42 ,

I've been doing this for a decade.

Highly recommend it. The only thing some people don't like is using a keyboard and mouse on the couch, but there are endless solutions for that.

MentallyExhausted ,

I have a little mini keyboard/trackpad controller. Primarily just use the directional pad and media controls to navigate Plex, but if I need to pop into a web browser or whatever, it works great.

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

Actually...that's the sticking point at my house. I'm ok with mouse keyboard, but my wife and kids are not.

Still trying to find a remote that will suit that use case.

Rai ,

Logitech k400!

Merritt ,
@Merritt@lemmy.world avatar

I've heard good things about the PS5 Media Remote, which pairs via bluetooth. If my generic bluetooth remote dies that is my replacement plan.

Rai ,

I have like four or five Logitech K400 keyboards, they’ve got a touchpad and they’re super inexpensive!

nicetriangle ,

Yeah I was getting fed up with apps and boxes said fuck it and am running a mac mini hooked up to a shitload of storage now and it's been great. Plays media, works as a competent file server for said media, and emulates a bunch of console games. We don't use anything else now.

Blue_Morpho ,

Isn't Apple TV the most ad free box now? I'm still on Roku but I've read that Apple TV is equivalent to a Roku but without the ads.

flop_leash_973 ,

Unless you change the launcher on your Android TV box, Apple TV is the most ad free now. Unless you want to just hook a PC up to the TV anyway. Which can introduce codec and DRM issues if you want to use Netflix and Prime video from the PC.

nicetriangle ,

Yeah it probably is in terms of an off the shelf, purpose built option with no tinkering. They're pretty snappy as well. Decent hardware in there it seems.

We have an ATV but our wireless network is kinda shit and we kept having connectivity issues between the ATV and the Plex server we were running on the Mini so we just went all in on running the Mini as the media player and Plex server in one to avoid it. Bonus was that we now have a very capable console game emulator hooked up to the TV too. Also we just ditched our last streaming subscription so all we were using the ATV for was the Plex app.

It's a bit overkill but I will say as a server and emulator the new apple silicon minis are great. Zero fan noise ever and they sip electricity and run really cool.

endhits ,

I want to love jellyfin, but the Roku app is a buggy mess.

VampiricClam ,

The Roku app has had a major update recently. Might be worth checking again.

Blue_Morpho ,

Why would you run Roku on Jellyfin? Wouldn't that open you to the ads you are trying to avoid?

Trainguyrom ,

I'm guessing it's the opposite way around, they use the jellyfin app on their Roku to steam from their jellyfin server

Blue_Morpho ,

that makes much more sense.

1hitsong ,
@1hitsong@lemmy.ml avatar

I'm one of the Jellyfin Roku devs. What bugs are you experiencing?

mrnarwall ,

Not the OP, but I have been getting a bug where I select a show/movie to watch in the roku app, and instead of playing it will exit out to the list of shows/movies menu. These same shows work just fine in the app on a google android TV, or on a computer

1hitsong ,
@1hitsong@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, something is failing in playback and it's simply falling back to the previous screen. I'd suggest posting this to the troubleshooting forum. I'm sure the support team will be happy to help out!

https://forum.jellyfin.org/f-troubleshooting

spaduf ,
@spaduf@slrpnk.net avatar

I've used it daily and never had a problem. What did you experience?

MiDaBa ,

Why won't anyone make a privacy focused premium streaming box with no ads? I'd pay so much for this thing that will never exist.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Apple TV is a premium streaming box without ads. The privacy aspect is less clear, but probably better than Samsung, Google and Roku that are all harvesting data.

An open source solution would be better.

corsicanguppy ,

The privacy aspect is less clear, but probably better

I love how dividing by an unknown somehow makes a bigger number for you. The bias is leaking.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Apple chargers more and isn't openly selling data (Samsung) or openly selling ads (Google). The commercial activity provides some insight here, that suggests Apple is better for privacy.

xylogx ,

We need a fediverse streaming service.

smileyhead ,

Torrent? PeerTube?

For paid options I see no sense in decentralization.
But a standard protocol for rental tied with some protocol for payments (like GNU Taler) to rent movies from any source with one tap and no install would be cool.

CalicoJack ,

Until then, a Raspberry Pi or SFF PC will do the job just fine. They even work with remotes if you get an IR receiver for them.

OrderedChaos ,

How do you set up the IR receiver? I would like to use Linux if possible. It's often such a pain to set up things like this. Took me forever to get my Xbox controller to pair.

CalicoJack ,

I've used LIRC in the past. Takes a bit of setup, but it works well once you get it going.

OrderedChaos , (edited )

Thanks for that. Were you ever able to get something like this to power a device on from a full shut down?

Edit: power on using the remote.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

IMHO, for a quick out-of-the-box solution, the AppleTV is still the better streaming box.

Performant, tight software experience, large software catalog, proactively asks about blocking tracking data, and no ads all over the place.

AProfessional ,

It does advertise Apple content but its not too bad.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

You can turn that off. If you don’t want the TV app to show new TV+ shows when it’s highlighted in the dock, you can set it to display recently watched content. And recently watched content will be app agnostic.

The feature is a little buried, but it’s a nice experience upgrade that is worth switching over to.

huskypenguin ,

It still clutters on OS upgrades.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Can you elaborate? Mine has remained set to show “up next” for several OS upgrades. That feature has never switches itself off.

huskypenguin ,

Hmmm, maybe I need to dig in settings. When Apple Arcade became a thing I found new apps on the Home Screen. I still think it's the only streaming box outside of a shield that is appropriately powered amass doesn't serve ads. And unlike the shield, Apple tv has a clear future.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Ahh. Yeah, when Apple adds a new app to an OS, they love to throw that thing right in the dock so you can see it. I usually end up moving a lot of those things out and I put my preferred apps in that dock.

I thought you meant it was changing your preferences for “settings > apps > tv > homescreen” after you installed OS updates. Sorry, I was confused.

Tinidril ,

Mainly because the major streaming services wouldn't allow their platforms to run on it.

Emerald ,

I don't use major streaming services. I just want something that runs NewPipe and Jellyfin. Lol

huskypenguin ,

Because people won't pay for it. We are in the minority.

Poggervania ,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

For those with Roku TVs or any of their products, I found that a PiHole blocks the ads on the home screen so far. Hoping I could pick up an ONN box in the future so I can just not deal with this shit lol.

AtariDump ,

A pihole is a whole "home" adware/malware/spyware blocker. It runs on a raspberry Pi but can also run on a physical/virtual install of several different Linux distributions. Not only can it block ads on your computer but can also block ads on technology that you can't (easily) block ads on ("Smart" TV / stock cellphone / IoT devices / etc). In addition, with some easy to instal additional (free) software you can block ads even when not at "home"!

gramathy ,

Pihole also has a docker distribution, so it’ll also run easily on “appliance” NAS solutions with minimal effort

triptrapper ,

Thank you for the explanation. I felt very out of the loop on this whole thread. I'll look into pihole.

AtariDump ,

NO problem.

Any issues, let me know :-)

Not sure if the PiHole team is on Lemmy yet.

SharpieThunderflare ,

Yeah, DNS blocking is quite effective for not just ads, but also telemetry on Roku.

Personally, I use nextdns until I can can a good pihole setup going.

NovaPrime ,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

You can comfortably run pihole, unbound, and a VPN like wireguard on a pi zero or zero 2. You can find entire zero 2 kits for under $35 if you're patient

SharpieThunderflare ,

Very true. Mostly just haven't had the time. Also want to set up a little home server to play around with Proxmox and move Jellyfin off my main PC.

Fixbeat ,

I use roku...I might have to try a pihole...or switch to something else. Damn shame just about everything gets ruined by greed.

Lucidlethargy ,
@Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

I can confirm that I'm blocking all the Roku ads with adguard now. You just plug this list in: https://oisd.nl/

DavidGA ,
@DavidGA@lemmy.world avatar

Apple TV boxes have no ads.

I know everyone here hates Apple, but, there it is.

manos_de_papel ,

They push apple TV+ so hard. The home screen, aside from recently watched, is one big ATV+ ad.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

You can turn that off pretty easily. The AppleTV+ app has the ability to configure how it uses that little quick look space. You can set it to only display your “up next” content.

Any apps in that dock region can show featured content when they are highlighted by the user. Any app can do that, not just Apple’s. Quite a few third party apps use that space to show featured or watchlist content.

manos_de_papel ,

Where should I look in the settings?

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Settings > Apps > TV

Set Home Screen to “Up Next”

There is a bunch of interesting things hidden under the App settings.

manos_de_papel ,

I already had that set, thanks.

The apple TV is much worse now that apple has ATV+ than before it had that. :( still better than any other platform, i suppose.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Technically that Home Screen can display an app’s featured content. And Apple and other apps often use that space to promote new shows. But you can turn off TV+ promos and or move apps out of that region.

Roku actually installs physical ads onto its damn remotes. I have remotes that promote streaming services that don’t even exist anymore.

MiDaBa ,

Is there any way to repurpose an old android phone into an android TV? Sometimes like Linage OS but TV focused. Even older Android phones can be considerably more powerful than any current streaming box. Add on privacy and you've got the perfect solution. It also would save on e-waste.

yozhfyfyfy ,

Kodi is probably one way to do it

https://kodi.tv/download/android/

smileyhead ,

Smart TV: Runs Android
Smartphone: Runs Android

Oh, so can I install Android TV interface to repurpose my phone as TV box?

Google and capitalism: No!

Also why I'm looking forward at Linux phones in the future.

wavebeam ,
@wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

Let's say I got myself one of those arm-based single board computers that can run android. Is there not a way to install Android TV instead of "regular" android? i assume you're saying it's not because it requires GMS cert or something.

smileyhead ,

No no no. You can replace whole OS sometimes, some phones can also do it but in much more hacky way than SBCs. But what I mean is that you cannot replace the interface.
Almost all highly corporate operating systems have their interfaces "welded" in place.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

I'm not sure, but the easiest solution is an old laptop or a mini-PC.

FlavoredButtHair ,
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

Not with pihole I wont.

jeanofthedead ,

No, but 1/3 of your screen will be empty real estate.

FlavoredButtHair , (edited )
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

I'd rather have blank space than ads.

jeanofthedead ,

Of course. I did the same thing until my OCD got the better of me and I got an AndroidTV device with a custom launcher, as well as an AppleTV4K. I love having no ads and no blank spaces now.

machinin ,

This posted prompted my to set up pihole. My blank space has a big "not connected to the internet," although all the services work.

Unfortunately, they also disabled accessibility settings, so I can't remap buttons or add another launcher.

This is my last Google TV. Are there any other options?

MonkeMischief ,

From what I gather, making your own little "media PC" connected to a "dumb TV" or never-connected "smart PC" can give you a similar if not better experience!

KDE has a big TV style desktop environment they've made for TVs now, and you can use KDE connect to use any phone as a remote control.

Completely open source! Wee!

paraphrand ,

“Not connected to the internet” lol. How presumptuous of the designers.

Faxing_Berlin ,

If it’s a Google TV you can always install a custom launcher and even disable the stock launcher via ADB and never be bothered by any of the curated bullshit again

My recommendation is FLauncher

rob_t_firefly ,
@rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone jailbreaking these damn things yet?

xia ,

Rokus are not worth the effort. Nvidia literally publishes dev roms for the shield tv boxes.

dan1101 ,
@dan1101@lemm.ee avatar

I love the RF remote, the functionality, and the responsiveness.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Are the dev roms fully compatible with Netflix & Co.? I'm running a shield and the one thing that kept me from rooting it was compatibility with hardware DRM. Have since cancelled all my subscriptions after they locked my family out and tried to hike the prices, but I'm still following the developments out of interest.

xia ,

I'm not sure, actually. If they do have DRM issues, I imagine it would be precisely the same issue as (and therefor would have the same workarounds as) any other custom android rom... which probably involves some shady APKs & instructions from XDA forums.

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

my streaming device is a 4th gen Intel i5 computer with Kodi.

I don't think I'll see more ads in the future 😆

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

I do see the appeal of non-smart TV's now. Just getting a device that host your media is a good option.

nullPointer ,

"commercial display" is the search term you want.

CrowAirbrush ,

All i need is to find one, preferably affordable obviously.

Just the thought of being able to use it until the hardware fails, instead of when the maufacturer decides to abandon it after 2 years.

I remember the 20 years i lived at home, we owned 3 tv's and 2 of those were passed on to people who didn't have the money to upgrade. The last one is still in use today, 15 years later.

While my own tv now requires 2 devices to stay functional one of which i need to rent from my isp, in a way i'm being forced to buy a new tv even though i don't need one and then everyone wonders why the planet is going to shit.

I'm surprised we aren't living in a cyberpunk esque landfill bordered city.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I'm looking into getting a projector and just hooking it up to my pc for media. I don't watch all he time anyways, it's mostly for movie/game night.

scv ,

Every smart TV is a dumb TV too. Mine has some smart stuff, I think, but I have never used it, and it has never been online.

hesusingthespiritbomb ,

All new Google TVs have a "dumb mode" that you can configure at startup.

kumatomic ,

They've gotten great at this war of attrition. They know if they make changes incrementally people wouldn't accept all at once then most people won't notice or care. That's why I through that trash and two firesshits out in the garbage where they belonged when they started with "related" ads and app store ads.

corsicanguppy ,

through

You sure?

OrderedChaos ,

Tru blu tru n tru

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

For the approximately 1 second a day I look at the Roku home screen?

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can these ads be blocked with pi-hole?

xylogx ,

I block logs.roku.com and cloudservices.roku.com on my pihole without impacting any functionality.

CobblerScholar ,

Is there a good resource to learn how to install that kind of a system for a person who's tech knowledge ends at one semesters worth of C++?

BenPranklin ,

A semester of programming is more than you need. The hardest part would be installing the OS on the raspberry pi. https://pi-hole.net/

NaoPb ,

Yes setting up a Pi-Hole should be pretty doable for someone like you. I can't recomend a specific tutorial off the top of my head, but there should be plenty to find.

You mainly need a pi running raspbian or a pc running some debian based distro.

ILikeBoobies ,

Anyone can set them up, it’s just running an app

Fedegenerate ,

I set one up. My IT skills begin and end with being a millennial that had to troubleshoot what I wanted to get to work before App stores.

You'll be fine in general searching "Pihole setup (insert OS here)". Some minor troubleshooting was necessary in my case, could be an ID10T issue though.

Kushia ,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

You can alternatively install Adguard too which will happily sit in a Docker container on a regular server if you're aware of how to do that.

0x2d ,

what info is sent to these domain?

jimbo ,

None if you block them.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

Yes.

modus ,

What domain list(s) are you using? Mine are still showing up with pihole. I do think some are being blocked, but not all.

Fedegenerate , (edited )

Firebog.net Ticked lists as a collective, over 10^6 domains long now. Firebog have lists organised by how likely it is to impact general browsing, ticked being least likely (basically do you want to be black listing or white listing).

modus ,

Thank you. And good advice about over-doing it. I've had people complain about "the internet being broken" on my wifi because of an overly-restrictive pi hole.

LeFantome ,

PiHole blocks the current ads. Hopefully these new ones too.

antimongo ,

Yea my Adblock Home (pihole alternative) blocks the ads on my Roku home screen. Now it’s just a big blank box.

Kushia ,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

I do wonder how long it's going to take for these device manufacturers to get wise and start hard coding their own host file on these devices with the addresses they use.

ShellMonkey , (edited )
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Then we switch from DNS and look to good old firewall blocks.

Update to say device is 'offline' unless it can reach these IPs? Local NAT to direct the traffic to a basic ping box.

Game keeps being played until someone quits.

Malice , (edited )

I just recently started using my Samsung TVs as dumb screens because they're slow as shit, but a nice side effect is zero ads.

ONN 4k streaming box for $20 at Walmart.
Install a custom launcher.
Install a button remapper for the remote.
Install SmartTubeNext for YouTube (no ads, SponsorBlock).
Install whatever other apps you need (Plex, etc).

FAR better experience. Turn the TV on and it's ready to go in a few seconds, not the ~60-90 seconds it takes the Tizen nonsense to "warm up."

It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better. Can recommend, especially for only $20.

Kadaj21 ,

Just picked up the Onn box and did all that. Also installed RetroArch and so far the SNES era stuff all plays good with my bluetooth controller though there is a slight input lag or i just need to adjust lol.

CatZoomies ,
@CatZoomies@lemmy.world avatar

Bluetooth does have latency issues, but setting your TV to Game mode (if available) will provide extremely noticeable improvement.

Kadaj21 ,

Ah at the moment its connected to a 144hz portabble monitor via usbc.

FloMo ,

Any guides/links on setting up my Onn box like that? It’s been great for the $20 but removing ads and deeper customization sounds amazing

Malice ,

Directly from the play store, you can install alternative launchers. Some people like FLauncher; I did not. I went with Projectivy. Highly customizable, very clean.

You can also grab a button re-mapper there. I went with tvQuickActions Pro - it's paid, but quite powerful.

For SmartTubeNext, I followed this guide.

FloMo ,

Much appreciated!

deweydecibel ,

(Plex, etc)

Just get started on the move to Jellyfin now.

Seriously, people, use some pattern recognition here. Plex is already on its way down the enshitification pipeline, you'll be sick of it in a couple years too, just like Roku. Why wait?

Malice ,

Jellyfin is definitely on my radar, and I'd love to make the switch. One thing that's important to me and my family, however, is the library sharing between accounts. To my knowledge, Jellyfin doesn't support this.

Sendbeer ,

SmartTubeNext might be the greatest thing about AndroidTV just for the sponsor block. It's so amazing.

Proxima_Centauri11 ,

Your comment inspired me, so I picked one up today for my Roku TV, and I had it running in under an hour! We really don't know how many ads we'd been seeing until we stop seeing them. I already had a PiHole on my network, but getting SmartTube running is so nice.

Malice ,

I'm glad you're having a better time with it! Honestly, if you watch any amount of YouTube on your TV, it's well worth the $20 just for SmartTubeNext. Such a massive improvement to skip all the sponsor, promotion, intro, etc segments.

Proxima_Centauri11 ,

Thank you! For me, that's half of it. The other half is removing everything that's not my subscriptions on the home page so I'm not seeing a bunch of "the algorithm". And then being able to boot to the subscriptions page too is so nice.

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