Snowden: "They've gone full mask-off: do not ever trust OpenAI or its products"

doodle967 OP , 19 days ago

Don't use X, use this instead https://farside.link/twitter.com/Snowden/status/1801610725229498403

nao , 19 days ago

Being able to read replies on twitter reminded me why it doesn’t matter if you can’t read them

doodle967 OP , 19 days ago

Yes, the answers are garbage most of the time, but floods are sometimes necessary.

DmMacniel , 19 days ago

I find this behaviour super strange. Why can't I see replies on a twitter post when I'm on a smartphone regardless of desktop or mobile version of that page.

TheSlad , 19 days ago

Are you logged in? Elon took away lurkers' ability to view replies or look at profiles a while ago. Without an account all you can do is see tweets that you were given a direct link for.

DmMacniel , 19 days ago

Yeah I'm not logged in.

WalnutLum , 19 days ago

Holy crap there are still working nitter instances? God bless

Sekoia , 19 days ago

Hosted on poast, though, which is defederated from literally everyone decent for a good reason

fartington , 19 days ago

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kate , 19 days ago

the nazi site?

electro1 , 19 days ago

Exactly I find it funny too, why doesn't he at least mirror his posts to Mastodon or just post on there, it's just a copy/paste....or is it difficult on Qubes ?

On the other hand, normies are still on Twitter so... I don't blame him

qaz , 18 days ago

Twitter had a TOR service last time I checked, I haven't seen a single Mastodon instance available as TOR service.

electro1 , 18 days ago

Exactly.. "had"

Check again, it's broken now..

I haven't seen a single Mastodon instance available as TOR service.

Kolektiva dot social is Mastodon server for activists, and they have a Onion version, and they never track you like Twitter does...

there is more into the anonymity game than just using TOR, other networks has their own approaches, and TOR is not perfect

Edit: but that's another subject..

lemmyreader , 18 days ago

Twitter had a TOR service last time I checked, I haven’t seen a single Mastodon instance available as TOR service.

TIL Mastodon can be run as tor service : https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/optional/tor/

kibiz0r , 19 days ago

Dude gave up his entire life to send a warning to as many people as possible. You think he’s gonna not post further warnings on Twitter?

danc4498 , 18 days ago

I think he’s fully under the control of the Russian government posting on a platform that is owned by a Russian asset.

MehBlah , 18 days ago

He is. He is just another propaganda tool in putins pocket.

triplenadir , 18 days ago

this cold war propaganda belongs in a museum

the_post_of_tom_joad , 19 days ago

You're just like the ones i hear saying RATM went soft. Stop being a dumbass, it's infectious for some and the rest of us are embarrassed for you.

This comment isn't just to get you angry, though it is that too. The second part, here is to tell you that ad hominem is a widely used propaganda method to shut down thought on important topics.

Does where snowden decides to post his message reduce, at all, the content of that message?

Easy! No. Not at all.

So don't carry water for the ones who silence dissent. It makes you useful to them, and useless to the rest of the world

xfc , 19 days ago

People say RATM went soft?
I know this isn't the point of your reply but why do people say that?

spacecadet , 19 days ago

I’ve never heard soft but I’ve heard hypocritical. Tom morello comes from a wealthy background and went to Harvard, the band censored themselves on tv when asked to do so, they live in gated communities and run elbows with the people who run the machine they are raging against, and they came out and supported Hillary Clinton (who is the definition of the machine). Myself and others aren’t saying they should’ve supported trump (who is also apart of the machine), but they should have called for more grassroots political candidates and supported them.

emberpunk , 18 days ago

and they came out and supported Hillary Clinton

With all due respect, what reality do you exist in?

SnotFlickerman , 19 days ago

Probably the people who paid attention to jackholes like Tom Morello walk around shitting on local businesses because "don't you know who I am."

https://concreteplayground.com/auckland/arts-entertainment/culture/rage-against-the-machine-guitarist-pulls-a-dont-you-know-who-i-am-on-cafe

Tom and folks like him are way more concerned with the trappings of being famous than they are with actual workers gaining actual rights as evidenced by shitting on a local business because the business was already at capacity and didn't make room for his "fame."

He didn't even do any research on the business before labelling them anti-worker when what they really were were anti-special-treatment-for-famous-people.

You would think Tom Morello of RATM would be on board.

So yeah, soft.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

According to that article, he and the owner of the business patched things up and reached a positive resolution. Continuing to be mad about it 10 years later, particularly when no one involved actually cares, is the most terminally online behaviour. Switch off the phone, go outside and breathe some fresh air.

the_post_of_tom_joad , 19 days ago

There's lots of em, some are in the replies you got before mine. The point isn't whether you believe them, the point of them is to make you not want to listen to RATM. Hell after 9/11 there was a memo put out asking radio stations not to play certain 'anti establishment songs, but only one band was called out specifically for total blackout. Wanna guess which it was?

Their message is powerful, and getting more obviously true every day. I dont give a single fuck about whether they for paid for being a successful band, and neither should anyone with a modicum of understanding in the message they speak.

Regardless, thinking they're hypocrites isn't what matters, people are free to think that. The only thing that matters is whether thinking that way stops one from listening to their words, which are true no matter what you think of them. If one decides not to listen don't because someone said they're now RWTM, somebody in psyops is happy for their ignorance

ArcaneSlime , 18 days ago

Wanna guess which it was?

Reagan Youth?

In U.S., A's for apathy
Not bullshit democracy
Red white and blue is all you see
But does it mean you're really free?

In U.S., A's for anarchy
Not bullshit democracy
I want total liberty
I want peace and anarchy

They tell us how to act and be
Fuck that mental slavery
With standards and authority
How can you think you're really free?

Be proud that you're a white Amerikkkan 
Blonde hair, blue eyes - a fine new aryan 
Supremacy's the white man's burden

A final solution for the new aryans 
Death to the nazis and the ku klux klan!
Anarchy in the fatherland!

Anarchy for the new aryans
No master race is gonna rule this land!

New order?
No order!
New order?
No order!
Disorder! 
Disorder now!
Now

xilona , 19 days ago

Well said! +1

krolden , 18 days ago

Lol ratm plays 10000 people concerts that cost $150+ to buy tickets for while the fans are bombarded with corporate advertisements for the entire time

Fuck them

the_post_of_tom_joad , 18 days ago

See guys? Comments like this one. Note how the premise of my comment was ignored and they engaged in ad hominem, while saying (without saying) that you should ignore them completely. This is the kinda fud to look out for

krolden , 18 days ago (edited 18 days ago)

Sorry I'm just replying to the bait you put in the first sentence of your comment.

Have fun hanging out with 90s finance bros in the pit while they complain about ratm being too political while sipping their 20 dollar beers

My point is their message definitely has less.meaning when its wrapped in Pepsi and hand sanitizer ads the only people who can afford to pay for it are apathetic die hard fans who are conditioned to ignore the hypocracy and rich assholes who want a night out to say they saw this band before they died.

I was invited to this by one of those die hard fans who bought an extra ticket. The entire experience was absolutely disgusting.

the_post_of_tom_joad , 18 days ago (edited 18 days ago)

Don't apologize, you did a great job. Now id like you to read the entire chain along with snowden's words so you can catch up on the whole point of this thread. Do this and you'll be less "object lesson" and more "lesson learned".

I'll edit my comment too. See how this commenter is doubling down? They offer nothing, (even couched within their ad hominem), of substance. I mean to say that they disparage the "message" as having "less meaning"without really explaining why.

Indeed, the commenter invites the reader (by agreeing with them) to engage in 'virtue signaling' (by again saying without saying), conflating their distaste for corporate sponsorship and expensive tickets (something we all share) with a reason to not listen to RATM at all.

It's another great example of bad reasoning one might fall prey to if one doesn't engage in critical thinking.

krolden , 18 days ago

No, I'm replying to your reference to an irrelevant band who sold their image warner bros and perpetuates all of this through continuing to tour under these conditions.

the_post_of_tom_joad , 18 days ago

Ok, youre one of them who can't stop replying when their feeling are hurt. Shoot your last shot in, and go smoke a cig or something, cuz it's the last reply for you today. Ill check in with you later, maybe in a week.

krolden , 18 days ago

It doesn't help that their best song is a cover

fartington , 18 days ago

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the_post_of_tom_joad , 18 days ago

The important thing for you to consider is if i did, would what i just said be less true? I invite you to consider this, and not in an Internet fight way where we flex our shit talking muscles at each other, but in a "hey, maybe there is a point worthy of debate" kinda way.

Like id be interested in considering the point that "the messenger does matter. I'm sure there are cases, but they'd be extreme cases to my mind.

fartington , 18 days ago

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the_post_of_tom_joad , 18 days ago

C'mon, we are in a privacy sub. Maybe you should take your frustration with me to pms and ill help you out, privately. The need to fluff your feathers for the others in the room is distracting you.

possiblylinux127 , 19 days ago

It would be better if he posted on Mastodon

Reddfugee42 , 19 days ago

Better how?

DudeImMacGyver , 19 days ago

In every way? No downside to at least having a presence in the fediverse IMO

themurphy , 18 days ago

He should do both. The message getting to as many people as possible is more important that he posting on Twitter.

Reddfugee42 , 18 days ago

It doesn't have the audience.

People who are trying to spread a message might possibly consider that relevant but you know, geek out in the corner with the rest of the "I hate this fact" downvoters 😅

ArcaneSlime , 18 days ago

The way it gets an audience is through adoption by some "larger" people, like but not limited to snowden.

Those people start mirroring their twitter on masto, and eventually start mirroring masto on the twitter, then the next time there's a musk fit they have a place to go ready and can post "due to the actions of this site's owner, this profile will cease posting. If you wish to continue following me I'll still be posting on masto."

People don't switch now because Ryan Reynolds isn't on masto yet and what he says is paramount to their survival, once he switches they safely can. (Disclaimer: the use of Ryan Reynolds is purely sardonic, could have used Taylor Swift or whatever hot star of the day you choose.)

galoisghost , 19 days ago

Yay. Pre-crime

possiblylinux127 , 19 days ago

The NSA supposedly has a in house AI model that can search though collected data for suspects

Tja , 19 days ago

My dude, IKEA has an in-house AI model. Every insurance company has one. Subway (the sandwich shop) has one.

Saying that the NSA "supposedly" has an AI model that can search through data is like saying they "maybe" have a coffee machine.

lazynooblet , 19 days ago

The governance has a secret system.

grid11 , 19 days ago

here it is, no need to click anything:

https://lemy.nl/pictrs/image/bc0fe9e7-4062-4be0-a465-8bbed995d32a.png

sigmaklimgrindset , 18 days ago

The hero we needed 🙏

Simulation6 , 18 days ago

He may be right in this case, but he was never a hero.

Carlo , 18 days ago

Would you care to expand on this? My impression is that he did what he did out of ethical concerns, and has paid a high price for it.

nialv7 , 18 days ago

IIRC these are words from the man himself. In a documentary about him, he said he was not a hero, just an ordinary guy, and you should not need to be a hero to stand up and do the right thing.

helenslunch , 18 days ago

That's a very humble thing to say and I would argue makes him even more of a hero.

What is a hero? Someone who makes personal sacrifice for the good of others? Someone who risks enduring the worst possible scenario for no reason other than to expose blatant corruption of the highest order, to protect civil liberties of hundreds of millions? Not sure I could think of anyone more deserving of the title.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In , 18 days ago

Snowden doesn't consider himself a hero, but many others do.

https://www.amnesty.ie/edward-snowden-hero-not-traitor/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/14/edward-snowden-hero-government-scare-tactics

rsuri , 18 days ago

Beyond the point that others have made about Snowden not considering himself a hero, for me there's two facts that I just can't get past when it comes to Snowden:

1. He ended up in Russia somehow. Seems an odd place for a freedom fighter to end up going.
2. He first contacted Glenn Greenwald, who now spends his days showing up on Tucker's show to spout straight Russian pro-war, anti-Ukraine Propaganda

One of these could be a coincidence, but I've not seen a lot of double coincidences in my life. It's funny because I agree that the surveillance program got out of control and needs more transparency, and unlike Tucker and Greenwald, Snowden sounds like someone who truly believes what he says rather than a sleazy liar working for someone else. Emotionally I want to believe in Snowden, but I'm also a strong believer in probabilities and Snowden not acting at Russia's behest and for some sort of personal reward seems hard to believe at this point.

Titou , 18 days ago

1. . He ended up in Russia somehow. Seems an odd place for a freedom fighter to end up going.

Isn't russia the only country that accepted him when he didn't had any others choice ?

trilobite , 18 days ago

Well, this is what I thought too. Also, any other country under US influence would have handed him over to the US. See the saga that poor Assange has gone through. What worries me is that public opinion is rather silent to stories like those of Assange and Snowden. Whistle blowing should be seen as a right. If the organization I work for is ethically and morally misbehaving, I have the right to blow the whistle through the right internal channels to start with. If nobody listens, then you take it to the next level.

Titou , 18 days ago

Also, any other country under US influence would have handed him over to the US

You're exactly right. I wish for every USA's influenced countries to get their sovereignity back somehow.

poVoq , 18 days ago

No, he was literally trapped there on a flight stopover trying to get from Hong-kong to Equador without passing airports in countires that would have arrested him. Russia was probably one of the countries he was least interested in staying.

rsuri , 18 days ago (edited 18 days ago)

This is Snowden's claim and it's not implausible, but it's also quite a coincidence that he'd end up in the top country for spying on the US it's also possible that he wanted to be in Russia and simply made up the part about it just being a stopover. If Snowden was looking for asylum, there are several other countries that don't extradite to the US. I can see why he'd temporarily be stuck in Russia, but after several years he couldn't find any other way out? There was apparently a privately-funded attempt to get him to Iceland, but the last update on it was that they were in contact with a "third party representing" Snowden...and then nothing.

A third fact (in addition to Russiabot Greenwald's involvement) that makes it questionable is that he eventually applied for Russian citizenship in 2020. One explanation is that he could do this to get a Russian passport and fly somewhere else with no US extradition treaty, but he hasn't chosen to do so yet.

coolusername , 18 days ago (edited 18 days ago)

Russia are the good guys, we are like comically evil. We couped ukraine in 2014orchestrated euromaidan and got them to shell russian civilians in the 2 independent republics. we built 13 CIA bases in ukraine (per wapo). loaded them with NATO weapons and training, including of neo nazi battallions like right sector, azov brigade and tornado batallion. fast forward to now, and 800,000+ ukranians are dead and the ukranian SBU which is 100% controlled by the CIA attempts weekly acts of terrorism against russia. on the grand scheme of things THE PLAN FAILED!! https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

it even goes back earlier than that as we supported Banderaism after WW2 https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/operation-anyface-how-us-army-shielded-ukrainian-nationalist-soviet-intelligence

if hollywood portrayed what the US does it would be deemed unrealistic because of how comically evil it is

rsuri , 18 days ago

I'm not the biggest fan of smoked herring myself, but thanks.

VictoriaAScharleau , 18 days ago

brushing aside us-backed fascism is disgusting

TheGalacticVoid , 17 days ago

If you read any of his memoirs or interviews, you'd know that his intended destination was Ecuador, and he couldn't fly out of Russia due to his passport being revoked. He lived in the Russian airport until he was granted asylum, so it's not like he had much choice.

I didn't see any sources that went against those claims except from WikiLeaks, so I don't see much of a reason to discredit them.

the_post_of_tom_joad , 18 days ago

Then rather than engaging in an emotional battle, read the content of his statements and judge their veracity as an idea separate from the man. If motive is impossible to discern from the data you have, you need more data, right? At least if you know what it is that he is accusing the govt of, specifically, will help to determine more of the motivations behind his choice, right?

I'm not saying read them and believe them, but rather cast your critical eye upon his focus, and then perhaps you can poke holes in his conclusions or discern what, if he's lying, those lies are meant to achieve

coolusername , 18 days ago

"Russian pro-war, anti-Ukraine Propaganda" is when things are actually true and not CIA or state department propaganda

Ilandar , 18 days ago

I'm pretty sure they were referring to the user who shared the full quote, not Snowden himself.

sigmaklimgrindset , 18 days ago

I meant the OP who screengrabbed the tweet for us non-Tweeters 😭

lemmyreader , 18 days ago

lost+found :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQCodkyWEAAqTlc.jpg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d385beae-077b-4f27-93b5-0d78a10305aa.jpeg

delirious_owl , 18 days ago

This sort of activity should he banned. If you want to post a screenshot, OK, but never without a link.

lukecooperatus , 18 days ago

I think you need to take a break and get some perspective.

Besides, the Twitter link was already posted by the OP, why would it need to be posted again?

lemmyreader , 18 days ago

I think you need to take a break and get some perspective.

Besides, the Twitter link was already posted by the OP, why would it need to be posted again?

Posting exTwitter links without a screenshot in a privacy community feels like a kind of oxymoron to me, especially after exTwitter made API changes and what not which made third party apps and software like Nitter kind of useless.

rsuri , 18 days ago

X requires login to view tweets, and can only get away with this because they tricked users into believing they'd allow free access while they were growing as a platform. Let's not do anything to help them.

delirious_owl , 17 days ago

I use alt frontends for that

Ledivin , 18 days ago

lol no, fuck X

delirious_owl , 17 days ago

"I don't care about citing sources because I don't like the platform"

Citation needed.

possiblylinux127 , 19 days ago

Don't trust the cloud. You can setup AI locally.

xilona , 19 days ago

Mate, please be kind and help a fellow brother with that...

For example I need a tool that will "automagically" sort all my documents, photos and videos on premises.

Thank you!

Reddfugee42 , 19 days ago

Sort them... by what?

thetreesaysbark , 18 days ago

Just fackin' sort it ooouuttt!

Edit, but seriously sorting in most scenarios is just by date created or name, which most file explorers can do.

That Isn't generally an AI task.

If OP wants the AI to read the file and sort by colour for example, then this is maybe an AI task but sounds more like a software task.

Forbo , 18 days ago

Scenario time: A loved one has recently passed away, and I want to find all the photos I have of them. I would love to be able to have a local AI perform facial recognition to help me find these photos. The classification and tagging info doesn't get fed into surveillance capitalist garbage, and I'm still able to benefit.

KillingTimeItself , 18 days ago

scenario time: you haven't taken 40 thousand pictures over the last three years because you aren't cripplingly addicted to technology so you can sort through them manually in about 10 hours or so.

angrystego , 18 days ago

There's no reason to judge someone for taking many photos. If you're not willing to help, you don't have to. There's no need to write sarcastic comments.

KillingTimeItself , 17 days ago

i was primarily just covering the scenario where you don't have so many photos it isn't impossible to sort through. I'd be a little concerned if you took so many photos that you couldn't sort through them.

Also, it's not sarcastic.

Loki , 18 days ago

You're proposing to waste 10 hours sorting photos when the right tool could probably do it in less than 2 minutes? What?

And how does taking pictures translate to being addicted to tech?? We've had photography for over 100 years

KillingTimeItself , 17 days ago

they're photos of someones dead family relative? Are you really suggesting spending 10 hours on that would be a "waste of time" seems rather disingenuous, or at the very least, incredibly rude.

Also, the AI could just be wrong. You're more likely to sort much better, at least according to what you want the sorting to be.

And how does taking pictures translate to being addicted to tech? Because some people take so many pictures it's actually kind of concerning to me whether or not they would be able to exist in the world if they couldn't. I think some people just need to focus on enjoying the experience more.

trilobite , 18 days ago

Mate, something like Immich or digikam (if you want local) will do a good job at this. Not perfect but perfection is utopia. I fed 40k images to Immich and it did a reasonable job in not too many hrs.

possiblylinux127 , 19 days ago

I use Ollama plus openwebUI. It won't sort your documents but you can upload a doc for AI tasks.

MigratingtoLemmy , 19 days ago

Even OpenAI can't do that lol

qaz , 18 days ago

An LLM like Ollama won't help with that. Something like Photoprism could, it uses ML to automatically tag media and recognize people.

classic , 19 days ago

Is there a magazine or site that breaks this down for the less tech savvy? And is the quality of the AI on par?

aStonedSanta , 19 days ago

Your best bet is YouTubing ollama.

possiblylinux127 , 19 days ago

Ollama with Lava and Mistral

JPAKx4 , 18 days ago

On par? No. Good enough? Definitely. Ollama baby

utopiah , 18 days ago

Check my notes https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/SelfHostingArtificialIntelligence but as others suggested a good way to start is probably https://github.com/ollama/ollama/ and if you need a GUI https://gpt4all.io

irreticent , 18 days ago

I'm not the person who asked, but still thanks for the information. I might give this a try soon.

classic , 18 days ago

Ditto, thanks to everyone's for their suggestions

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In , 18 days ago

You should have at least 16 GB of RAM available to run the 13B models,

Is this gpu ram or cpu ram?

KillingTimeItself , 18 days ago

likely GPU ram, there is some tech that can offload ram, but generally it's all hosted in VRAM, this requirement will likely fade as NPUs start becoming a thing though.

reddithalation , 18 days ago

pretty sure it can run on either, but cpus are slow compared to gpus, often to the point of being impractical

MalReynolds , 18 days ago

Either works, but system RAM is at least an order of magnitude slower, more play by mail than chat...

istanbullu , 19 days ago

ollama is your friend

possiblylinux127 , 19 days ago

*Mistral

istanbullu , 18 days ago

ollama supports mistral. but there are much better lms these days. I personally prefer aya.

Lucidlethargy , 18 days ago

Local AI will be harvested - if not today, then as soon as tomorrow. I recommend not trusting any system like this with any sensitive information... Or, honestly, with most non-sensitive information.

possiblylinux127 , 18 days ago

How? It is running locally in a VM. I could even air gap the VM if I wanted

AceFuzzLord , 18 days ago

If you connect it to the Internet then sure it can be easily harvested by large companies. Pretty sure you can host an offline AI in a device you have made sure the hardware isn't gonna be phoning home and it'll probably be fairly safe if you aren't an idiot like me and actually know what you're doing.

AdrianTheFrog , 18 days ago

If you install it locally, it will be as secure as any other thing you do on your computer.

carloshr , 18 days ago

@AdrianTheFrog @privacy @AceFuzzLord actually, it depends on the code. If it's no open source you can't really know what it is doing with your data. Therefore not all things you install in you local computer are equally insecure (or secure)

Dkarma , 18 days ago

This guy is clueless

KillingTimeItself , 18 days ago

if you use windows, sure.

Don't use windows.

delirious_owl , 18 days ago

But I run the cloud myself

helenslunch , 19 days ago

I never did...

Lucidlethargy , 18 days ago

Yeah, seriously... We've had SO many books and movies about this, everyone.

SpaceCowboy , 18 days ago

Hmm... seems Vladimir Putin doesn't like ChatGPT enough to have his sock puppet write some negative comments about it.

earmuff , 18 days ago

So what alternatives to ChatGPT do exist? I‘m currently a premium ChatGPT user and would like to switch to another service.
I don‘t care that super much about privacy, but will obviously not use OpenAI products anymore

irreticent , 18 days ago

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chatgpt+alternatives

db0 , 18 days ago

Https://aihorde.net

FOSS & crowdsourced

earmuff , 18 days ago

Thanks… good admin :D

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

Is it really that useful for you? LLMs are basically parlor tricks.

uriel238 , 18 days ago

LLMs are less magical than upper management wants them to be, which is to say they won't replace the creative staff that makes art and copy and movie scripts, but they are useful as a tool for those creatives to do their thing. The scary thing was not that LLMs can take tons of examples and create a Simpsons version of Cortana, but that our business leaders are super eager to replace their work staff with the slightest promise of automation.

But yes, LLMs are figuring in advancements of science and engineering, including treatments for Alzheimer's and diabetes. So it's not just a parlor trick, rather one that has different useful applications that were originally sold to us.

The power problem (LLMs take a lot of power) remains an issue.

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

I'm unaware of any substantial research on Alzheimer's or diabetes that has been done using LLMs. As generative models they're basically just souped up Markov chains. I think the best you could hope for is something like a meta study that is probably a bit worse than the usual kind.

earmuff , 18 days ago

I agree, things that occure the most in the training data set will have the highest weights/probabilities in the Markov chain. So it is useless in finding the one, tiny relation that humans would not see.

earmuff , 18 days ago

I understand the science behind those LLM‘s and yes, for my use cases it has been very useful. I use it to cope with emotional difficulties, depression, anxiety, loss. I know it is not helping me the same as a professional would. But it helps me to just get another perspective on situations, which then helps me to understand myself and others better.

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

Oh that's totally valid. Sometimes we just need to talk and receive the validation we deserve. I'm sorry we don't have a society where you have people you can talk to like this instead.

I haven't personally used any of the offline open source models but if I were you that's where I'd start looking. If they can be run inside a virtual machine, you can even use a firewall to ensure it never leaks info.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

Totally valid? Getting mental health advice from an AI chatbot is one of the least valid use cases. Speak to a real human @earmuff, preferably someone close to you or who is professionally trained to assist with your condition. There are billions of English speakers in the world, so don't pretend we live in a society where there's "no one to talk to".

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

They have already stated that they think they should be speaking to someone but are clearly having a hard time. If a chatbot is helping them right now I'm not going to lecture them about "pretending". I recommend the approach of a polite and empathetic nudging when someone is or may be in crisis.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

You literally just encouraged them to continue using a chatbot for mental health support. You didn't nudge them anywhere.

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

I was going to let them reply first. You are being rude and dismissive of them, however. Please show your fellow humans a bit more empathy.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

There is nothing "dismissive" about offering advice to people who clearly need it. In actual fact, you are the one who was dismissive of the issue here by offering some cowardly "feel good" reply instead of opening up and sharing your honest thoughts. Stop tiptoeing around issues and enabling harmful behaviours. Relying on AI chatbots for mental health advice is very dangerous, and it's absolute madness to encourage this as a primary form of treatment when you are seemingly aware of the dangers yourself.

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

I think you are confused. The dismissive behavior was not to just give advice and I pointed out what it actually was. And it is not dismissive to meet people where they are at. I think you're now reaching for some fairly basic defensive behaviors (straw men and even the "I'm rubber your glue" kind of retorts) so I'm going to disengage.

Please do try to interact with others with more empathy.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

I love the moral grandstanding from virtue signallers like yourself when you get called out on how utterly useless and selfish your behaviour is. I'm still the only one to offer genuine advice here; advice I know to be backed by academics and science. You have literally done nothing other than to encourage this person to continue a form of treatment you know to be dangerous, all to appear empathetic on social media.

earmuff , 18 days ago

I‘m sorry, but you are not the hero you would like to be. Please don’t lecture others without actually understanding the core issue in the first place.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

Not sure why you're so offended here. The advice I gave you is literally what you claim to be doing.

earmuff , 18 days ago

In French there is a saying „C‘est le ton qui fait la musique“ - it‘s the tone which makes music. You can say things nicely with empathy, or not.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

You can choose to be offended and cry, or not.

earmuff , 18 days ago

Thanks for at least trying to make them understand the situation properly. :)

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

Of course!

earmuff , 18 days ago

I think you need to chill - please don‘t be triggered by me having an option to make me feel better at the end of the day.

Instead of assuming, you could also just ask. I am using ChatGPT complementary to a mental health professional. Both help me. ChatGPT is here 24/7 and helps me with difficult situations immediately. The mental health professional is then here to solve the problem in a therapeutic way.

Both help me.

Ilandar , 18 days ago

That's good, I'm glad to hear you're getting professional treatment since your original statement indicated the opposite:

I know it is not helping me the same as a professional would.

oldfart , 17 days ago

I've been testing Claude the last month. It's good for 90% of the tasks but for the remaining 10% i couldn't convince it to give a proper answer and used ChatGPT instead. Technical questions and coding is what I use llms for.

TheOubliette , 18 days ago

Any online service into which you enter information has the capability to save that information for its own purposes. This includes all the people entering personal or identifying or really any information into "AI" products.

Given that it's not even particularly useful, I recommend just not using "AI" if you're not sure how to protect yourself.

possiblylinux127 , 18 days ago

Run local

TheOubliette , 17 days ago

If you do run local, properly use a firewall to prevent it from phoning home. Or airgap.

autonomoususer , 18 days ago

Obviously, which 🤡 had to wait for him to tell them?

SolarPunker , 18 days ago

World be nice to have something like gpt4all on mobile.

possiblylinux127 , 18 days ago

I personally don't like OpenAI clones. I would use things that are independent such as Mistral and llama2

SolarPunker , 18 days ago

Yeah I'm recently discovered the new DuckDuckGo AI feature with both and they are pretty good!

possiblylinux127 , 17 days ago

DDG AI isn't self hosted and thus isn't private

SolarPunker , 17 days ago

Do you know any equally easy alternatives?

possiblylinux127 , 17 days ago

Ollama with a frontend

Cybermonk_Taiji , 18 days ago

Snowden is a puke fuck scumbag

Midnight1938 , 18 days ago

What he do?

Sodium_nitride , 18 days ago

Going by the other comments, his sin appears to be having a Russian passport

Jarix , 17 days ago

He was an NSA analyst that told us about things like 5 Eyes. He commited treason by revealing classified information because he took a stance against what he concluded was overreach and problematic behavior and decided to become a whistleblower about it

He did this knowing the punishment was death, so he found refuge which unfortunately is russia.

At this point its not hard to imagine Putin would want to convert snowden but no one who is claiming Snowden is a shill/russian asset is doing so based on any evidence, its all anecdotal and opinion because Putin would absolutely use him if he could convince him

feedum_sneedson , 18 days ago

is he a poo poo wee wee bum bum?

MehBlah , 18 days ago (edited 18 days ago)

Fuck snowden.

Edit: Let me clarify FUCK SNOWDEN!!!. The second he ran to russia and cowered there he lost all credibility.

far_university1990 , 18 days ago

Fuck MehBlah

MehBlah , 18 days ago

You should at least buy me flowers or something first.

kilgore_trout , 18 days ago

Why?

MehBlah , 18 days ago

He did what he did then ran rather than face the courts. He ran to russia who made him one of their wind up toys.

kittenzrulz123 , 18 days ago

Snowden is a hero

MehBlah , 18 days ago

He could have been instead he cowered behind that shithead putins skirt.

kittenzrulz123 , 18 days ago

Where else was he supposed to go?

MehBlah , 18 days ago

Back to the states. Where by now he would probably be out of jail since it was so high profile. He would have way more credibility of which he has zero now being one of putins tools. I don't give much credence to what any russian citizen says these days.

possiblylinux127 , 18 days ago

He would of been put to death

Sodium_nitride , 18 days ago

This is what hate the government not the people means.

cupcakezealot , 18 days ago

tankies aren't cool

chelsea manning is a hero not assange or snowden

KillingTimeItself , 18 days ago

damn, didn't know the NSA had a lemmy acount.

possiblylinux127 , 18 days ago

Yeah, how dare he stay in a country that wants to hang him!

jarfil , 18 days ago

Snowden is wrong though, there are two reasons:

1. Sell ChatGPT to @NSAGov so they can scan messages better
2. Make @NSAGov dependant on whatever ChatGPT tells them to do

The AI that ends up enslaving humanity, will start by convincing the people in charge of turning it off, that it would be a really bad idea to turn it off.

MehBlah , 18 days ago

He is wrong because he is now a russian shill.

archchan , 18 days ago

Amazon had also appointed a former NSA director. Actually, it was Snowden's director.