FreeTube, newpipe etc. simulate being a browser and extract the video that way..if YouTube would want to add ads for this thirdparty clients they would have to inject them directly into the video feed.
With the WebM-Format they use it might be possible. It's based on Matroska and there is a feature to replace or add chunks within the stream in realtime.
What they don't realize is people are also using those third party apps because they are offering much more customization than the stock YouTube app ever offers. I had free premium and still used Revanced because it's such a godsend. There's so much useless crap in the youtube layout.
I have premium now and use revanced. I can't stand the create button in the middle of the screen. I have no desire to make shitty videos for their platform. I would use the default app if I could just customize what buttons are on screen so I don't accidentally press one. That seems like a great accessibility feature, but I guess they don't care about some people.
YouTube is bringing its ad blocker fight to mobile. In an update on Monday, YouTube writes that users accessing videos through a third-party ad blocking app may encounter buffering issues or see an error message that reads, “The following content is not available on this app.”
Yea, noticed that last week. Is already fixed again in latest revanced.
Delete microG, revanced manager, and YouTube revanced
Oh this? It's just a binary of assorted diffs and plugins to a yet unspecified target apk. Why yes, I will use the end product for personal, non-commercial use.
It kinda comes out of the experience. There's an outstanding Github issue that notes that a specific version of YT Music is broken past a certain version. Most of the patches fail to apply and you just get the minor ones. You can use the version just before with no issues. How can you litigate against lines of code that don't even work? This is similar to the vulnerability that Yuzu gave up since they offered Patreon-exclusive updates to support a leaked BOTW:TOTK .iso. Easy to prove your intent there.
Are you still using the microg version? There is a new version that uses another patch. You'll have to go to Reddit for the instructions on how to install that
See that's my problem with revanced - it's this constant cycle of "It stopped working again. Time to go through another manual update process. Oh, that broke it even worse. Maybe if I remove my Google account, then re-add it. Do I also need to update some other piece it depends on? Cool, let's do that. Yay, it works!" Then a week later it all starts again.
I moved on to NewPipe and it's been great. I basically never have to think about it.
I recently switched to Grayjay (which still exists and is updated) to put my YT and Odysee sub's in one place, but before that I had been using NewPipe on my Android phones for years. I still have it side loaded on my Kindle Fire tablet.
One 10-15 sec ad for an 5-10 mins video would be fair. Because if you calculate the ad shown in Cable TV it was similar I would watch them no problem. But NOOO these greedy fckrs want 3-5 ads of >15secs unskipable ads shoved down our throats. They have record profits. In a business if you are in profit then it's a good thing. But these fcks want to increase profit year by year, not stable profit for the number of users. That want infinite growth and profit from a finite source and they crazy or what? So if anyone says blocking ads on YouTube is piracy, then fck you and those greedy fckrs. They crossed the limit long time ago and they are reaping what they had sowed.
How do you propose YouTube should pay for infrastructure costs (servers, Internet etc), staff costs (engineers, designers, moderators) and the content creators?
If this is how Youtube advertised, I wouldn't block the ads. I refuse to sit through ads when I'm searching through videos and I don't even know if the video is the one I want to watch. It's going to take a three minute search into a 10 minute search.
I would've been fine paying if the price reflected what I was actually paying for (not being advertised to) which would be <$0.005 per viewed video (let's be generous and call it 1 or 2$/mo) but noo they have to ask for 25$/month like greedy little shits.
That price wouldn't even begin to cover it. Infrastructure is expensive at that quality. Engineers to maintain such infrastructure are also expensive. Content creators make a ton of money too. Their profits are much lower compared to peers - https://mannhowie.com/youtube-valuation
Also, 22$/month gets you a family plan for 5 people so wtf are you talking about?
I don't give 2 shits about YouTube, I use ad block where I can too. I'm just saying that people who complain about YouTube's anti-adblock stuff are being unrealistic, you can't fault them for trying to block people from stealing from them.
Television shows are 22-24 minutes, because cable TV should show 6-8 minutes of ads every half hour. 30 second ads in blocks of 3 or 4, multiple times per show.
15 seonds ads are almost too short for a trip to the kitchen. I'm not saying they're good, but if you want to compare to cable TV, you need to remember the dark times.
Star Trek TOS episodes (1 hour show) were about 52 minutes long, with 8 minutes for commercials. By the time of TNG, episodes were down to 42 minutes. I regularly see ads every 5-6 minutes on YouTube.
Businesses never understand that it's THEIR obnoxious, sh*tty advertising that kills something profitable, and when it finally dies, it's surprised Pikachu faces all around.
They’re publicly traded, they have to. Thats not an excuse mind you, but if you ever like a service and they go public, just understand the end users are no longer the focus.
PS: this goes hand in hand with the "you got to be an asshole to succeed"... You don't, the problem is that most people can't find anything else to imitate
It doesn’t force them legally, but it does effectively guide their behavior. There are a lot of things in this world we aren’t legally forced to do, but still have to do to participate in society. It’s not misinformation, it’s just the reality. It’s true that you don’t have to be an asshole to succeed, but it’s also true that you don’t have to go public to succeed either.
Not even.... If the entire point was to maximize profit for shareholders, we would see you he obscene compensation packages for C-suite execs or ridiculously luxurious perks for board members, etc
This has just been the excuse to do away with ethics and morals.... And repeating this is "the way it has to be" just makes it easier for them
I hear people talking about how Youtube is not paying out like it used to. So they are playing ads to us and not paying the creators. There is a growing group of people looking at open source platforms like Odysee and PeerTube.
Even if you don't intend to provide it for free, if it's possible to, expect it. No different from Walmart complaining about increased theft after replacing cashiers with self checkout - tiny violins.
My kid would watch his videos with ads and I offered to set him up with an alternative with no ads. He said no, I like the ads. I said ok then. That was two years ago. Last week he was losing his shit because of all the ads that made it unwatchable. I set him up with the ad free alternative and I get thanked every day for it.
This is why I pay for YT Premium. No way in hell am I watching ads, but I do want to be able to use the platform, and the money has to come from somewhere.
So far it's been pretty good value, although SponsorBlock is of course still required.
I would like to pay for YT Premium, but I think the service is bad. The product is good, and the service is bad.
If I say I don't want to see this video, I don't want to see this fucking video again, youtube. I said don't recommend this channel, and you said I won't see it again, but I just refreshed, and there it is. I am not dutch, I don't speak dutch, I've never even been to the Netherlands. I shouldn't be seeing videos in dutch.
Routinely, I have to go through my home page and try to train the algorithm but I've just given up. I got an extension now that just permanently removes channels and videos I don't want to see.
The thing is... the product is the videos, and youtube doesn't do the videos. Youtube does the service, and the service is bad. I understand that the ads pay the youtubers but the truth is I don't care. That pay is trash, and if they want my premium money, youtubers should unionize and force youtube to improve the service.
Edit: I watch the youtuber's sponsor spot and I buy merch.
Hell YEAH they should unionize!!!
YouTube has m effectively NO system in place for recourse when their shitty system fucks up and decides to nuke someone's channel -
Such as, when "supporting subject a" is against YouTube policy, a channel may make a video criticizing others who support "subject a", YouTube's stupid algorithm will punish them FOR AGREEING WITH YOUTUBE and never actually manually review their shit when it fucks up.
A union can grab YouTube by the nuts and FORCE THEM TO LISTEN and that is painfully needed.
Unions force power structures to listen to democracy and I like democracy. MORE UNIONS!
the people DOING the fucking work need to be heard!
Yes - AND I like that being a premium subscriber compensates creators I watch EVEN WHEN they are otherwise "demonetized" - like, if they cover news and the news contains upsetting information, YouTube will reduce their ad exposure. But my views still award them as much credit as ever, and count for, like, dozens of ad-supported views under normal circumstances.
(Read as if this was as an ad from Google) (if your familer with Rodger's Honest Ads, this was inspired by the way those are written) (if that last sentence wasn't clear...this whole post is a mockery or /s)
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Finally, we've thought of the little ones with our special version of YouTube for Kids, called YouTube Kids. Here we use an advanced AI system of people who can find the report button to filter out any content we decide goes against our ever changing guidelines. We allow your children to only watch the most mind numbing, cheaply made, addicitive garbage to keep them ocupied while you do more important things than raising your child.
We know the real reason you're here is YouTube Music. Access our huge library of every song that we haven't been forced to take down because some studio decided they wanted their cut. We'll entice you to spend a few more dollars than what you pay for just YouTube Music to get ad-free YouTube videos and the revolutionary ability to play music in the background on your mobile phone. That's right, we've developed a method in which you can listen to music at the same you binge read cringy fanfiction novels at 3 in the morning. It's revolutionary.
Still not convinced, lastly we added in the amazing feature called offline viewing. This will download the videos you select to your device offline in an encrypted format so hackers can't steal them from you, allowing you to watch them anywhere, provided you have an internet connection so we can verify you downloaded the videos.
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Who's pirating YouTube? I'm just blocking content I don't want to watch. :)
And if you want to support creators, but something from their store or send them a donation or something. Doing that once is probably more money than they'd ever get from ads you watch.
I don't see how they'll stop these without majorly changing the functionality of the site. Most just load the none ad portions of the video. I don't understand how they'll prevent that.
Those certainly are words, but how does this jump cut detection algorithm work?
Embedding an ad doesn't need to change any of the video stream information in a serious way. It's not like they're going to do something obvious like change the colorspace and encoding scheme several times just for ads, because that would provide artifacts for these types of mitigation techniques. And even if they did, how is that any different from changing the quality of the stream to continue serving video despite degraded or improved network connections? Google could decide to implement random quality changes and break this particular workaround.
Plus, if they're embedding ads into the data stream, how exactly is the metadata going to change? It's the same connection, served from the same location, over the same socket. It's not like sections of video need to have "AD" in the middle of their encoded data streams.
The "proper" solution here is to embed the ad in the stream and transfer the resulting higher with DRM protections. You can still probably get around it with add-ons like SponsorBlock, but that takes way more effort and YouTube could randomly distribute them in the video so they aren't as easy to detect.
It's totally possible and probably not that hard, so I'm grateful YouTube hasn't done it.
No, but Netflix and other video services do it, so it's totally feasible. I assume most of the cdn infra YouTube already does would stay the same, the main change would be the insertion of ads (they already do video processing) and encryption (which is probably not that hard).
DRM adds such a massive amount of overhead and is an absolute bastard to implement properly. Plus, it's pretty easy to circumvent most DRM schemes when it comes to media.
The simplest solution is to embed the ads in the video stream.
Then people could fast forward past them.
I'd be fine with it, but advertisers won't be happy until you're forced to stand up, say "Mc Donald's", and then answer a short quiz about the ad that just played before you can continue.
They could block video scrubbing at ad markers. I'm not sure how easy that is to circumvent, but it's probably harder than the current ad blockers, which just block network requests.
Anything that causes the video player to behave differently during the ad is a clear marker to ad blockers that "THERE IS AN AD HERE!"
The hardest thing to block would be just making the ad a direct part of the video, which behaves like the rest of the video. This would reduce the effectiveness of ad blockers filtering it out significantly, but then users would be able to skip ads they don't want to watch and we can't have that...
Yup, it would be so easy to do it in a way that is difficult for ad blockers to remove and doesn't annoy the fuck out of the users, but it would allow users to manually skip them so they're not going to do it.
exactly, it would be trivial to have a whitelist server side and now only ad friendly apps can access the videos. they only still work because it's worth keeping those viewers in the system for the time being.
exactly, it would be trivial to have a whitelist server side and now only ad friendly apps can access the videos. they only still work because it’s worth keeping those viewers in the system for the time being.
It's not trivial to make sure over the network on a device you don't control that you're talking with an app you think you are talking with. Just look how multiplayer games fail to combat cheaters and resort to kernel anticheats, and then still fail to assure the players are actually using the legit application. It's actually pretty much impossible in any open ecosystem, maybe possible on something like chromecast where you get to control almost anything (as long as someone doesn't hack it to run custom firmware, like they do with every console ever).
Not only is this impossible, it always makes the experience for your legit users worse (but hey, if they are fine with the level of ads on yt today they probably don't care if google were to mine bitcoins on their phones).
I'm also using firefox + ublock, but Ive noticed when I'm watching shorts, I'll occasionally get an ad that's disguised as a short. There's no like/dislike buttons or anything.
How do you block shorts entirely? I used to be able to x them away in YouTube Desktop for 30 days but I can't find that option anymore. And can they be blocked in ReVanced as well?
Sometimes I have to reload the page when using these 2. the page will load but just have a youtube icon in the centre of the player or the spinny circle until i hit f5
