“If someone is going to try and blackmail me with advertising? Blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself.Is that clear? Hey Bob, if you’re in the audience. That’s how I feel, don’t advertise.”
If the market were rational that would have been the end of Tesla. It takes some extreme brainletry to turn a huge market advantage into actively losing ground to new entrants. And he is still at it. Being a dimwitted Nazi on Twitter is his top priority. Tesla sales will continue to spiral down the drain.
(Yes, if the market were rational the end might have come sooner, but certainly giving billions to a brainlet actively sabotaging the company should end it.)
Remember he is exceedingly wealthy, so he can buy Tesla stock through third parties to prop the price up without alarming investors. No, it's not legal, but we all know the man doesn't give a shit about the law.
What's it say? Go find yourself? Go Fill yourself? IDK is this some game you Americans have where you have to guess the word, because the amount of pearl clutching is just too insane in America?
Ah yes that's the amazing freedom of speech Americans are so proud of, except they don't actually have it, they are just indoctrinated to think so.
My god American regulation is so idiotic sometimes!!!
Yes and they may actually reelect that criminal traitor malignant narcissist SOB! .
That's the the country that refuses to regulate guns despite massive amounts of school shootings, but won't allow words to be written or said because that is apparently more harmful than bullets!!!
I'm not the one who told corrected you earlier, but ket me reiterate...
You are incorrect in your assumption that our "country," government, etc. censors our speech. Some people choose to self-censor and the government has nothing to do with that.
There's no regulation, we can and do say fuck without any problem. Some people prefer not to swear either for personal, social, or religious reasons. They chose to self censor not because they had to but because they wanted to. You're reading an awful fucking lot into a random ass image some anonymous user posted in a comment.
Can confirm, am American and try to avoid swearing, not because there are penalties (friends, coworkers, etc swear all the time), but because I don't like swearing. I find it makes me an angrier person, so I just don't do it.
If you want to swear, go for it, it really won't offend me. But I won't swear in return. Different strokes for different folks.
There’s so goddamn much to swear about in these fucking times we live in that I really respect anyone who can still hold their shit together enough not to.
Or if you're someone who uses speech to text on your phone. Nearly every system that I've ever used asterisks out everything after the first letter. It can be a lot of extra effort to go back and fill the fucks in. But if there's one fucking thing worth doing fucking right. Fucking filling out those fat fucking fucks is fucking it. It's one of the most fucking versatile words on the planet. It can be a fucking adjective, one of the most versatile verbs no matter what fucked up tense you choose, and even a motherfucking noun.
You can, most networks just decide not to. Broadcast TV (which hasn't really existed for I think more than a decade now) had restrictions about swearing (and other content) enforced by the FCC as it used a public good (RF bands). Cable TV (and now streaming services) are and pretty much have always been unregulated.
TV Networks, being companies trying to make money, opt to self censor so as to appeal to the largest number of viewers, but that isn't anything to do with the government, it's 100% a business decision.
swear words that are still taboo on broadcast TV to this day – ended up causing the highest court to rule that the Federal Communications Commission had the authority to regulate what viewers see on broadcast media.
Yeah that entire article basically agreed with everything I said. Technically broadcast TV does have some limitations enforced by the FCC (because it uses radio to transmit) even to this day, but broadcast TV is basically dead. I actually thought they had shut those stations down a few years ago, but I guess they're still around. Regardless there are absolutely no government regulations that control what's shown on cable and streaming services. 100% of censorship that occurs there is a business decision by the TV Networks and has absolutely nothing to do with the government.
I think it's hilarious that there are swear budgets for various ratings. I'm pretty sure adults can tell whether a movie is intended for kids or not, and they're the most sensitive to foul language.
I personally choose to not swear, but I watch and listen to plenty of content with vulgar language of all varieties, it really doesn't bother me, so I don't see why it's so taboo in movie ratings...
You think that's bad, get this. In most US states (47), public school students are required by law to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States once per school day, though...for most of those states...students may opt themselves out.
I have taught in Texas public schools since 2005, and I brought this up with an attorney for the teacher organization I joined (not a union as Texas bans collective bargaining for state employees, so our dues are really not much more than lawsuit insurance). He told me that, in the eyes of the state courts, children under the age of eighteen not being yet adults do not enjoy the same right to freedom of speech that adults do. Hence, in the eyes of the courts, a school district would be within their rights to fire a teacher who does not do their part to ensure all students under their purview recite the Pledge during the time it is spoken over the school's PA system (and the Pledge to the Texas state flag, also mandatory), 1st Amendment be damned.
Thankfully, I got a gig teaching in Oregon next year, so I am heading northwest (through the also miserable states of Utah and Idaho unfortunately) and never looking back.
Ah Texas, where children can't make decisions or be held accountable in any way, unless they're brown skinned and can be accused of a crime, then they must he tried as adults and sentenced to life as an imprisoned slave.
You don't want to play this game with me, son. Whatever you hurl at me about Oregon, I'll lob back at you something twice as bad about Texas.
I get that Oregon has its hard right people. Hell, most states do. But at least my trans kids gender identity is protected by state law, and my having a trans kid won't result in me being on the governor's fucking hit list.
For instance in schools you are not allowed to talk about gender identity in some states.
Often you are not allowed to teach about slavery either.
You are also often not allowed as a teacher or just working at the school to say if you anything other than straight. That would actually be illegal to enforce in countries with better protected freedom of speech.
One school banned a graphic novel Maus about holocaust despite it has won a Pulitzer.
Aaron Swartz was persecuted by authorities to the point of suicide for legally copying and trying to make information available to the public, that should by definition of the terms they were kept, be available to the public, but were not.
In the military you are not allowed to say you are gay.
The terrorist acts has secret courts giving secret organisations power to silence companies on for instance when information is demanded on users from companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft Apple, also when the demands are illegal by normal law, generally because they are too wide. Other often targeted companies are also mail services with increased security. This is monitored by a secret club in congress. This is part of what Obama called a "balanced" approach.
Failure to respect these secret courts, will result in you being judged by same secret courts!!!
You are not even allowed to seek outside council or mention it to anybody for help on what to do.
What's notable is that the more experience a journalist has, the more likely he is aware there's a problem. But there are no specifics on exactly what the problems are.
outlined the swear words that are still taboo on broadcast TV to this day -- ended up causing the highest court to rule that the Federal Communications Commission had the authority to regulate what viewers see on broadcast media.
Beep beep beep, it's so incredibly stupid!!!!
So maybe the meme was self censored, but it was out of a habit of doing so because in some situations you MUST, meaning your freedom of speech is restricted. By doing so on the meme, it parrots more official channels.
USA is probably the most censored country of the free world they claim to protect, and you don't even know it!?!?!
Welcome to the hypocritical world of Puritan culture.
Some of the earliest British settlers in the US were so extremist that the Church of England kicked them out after they tried to assassinate the king and replace him with a puppet of their own to force their beliefs on the rest of the country.
It was partly these crazies that started the whole sex and bodies=bad and shameful thing in the US that advertisers still believe in today. And swearing is yet another of those weird things. But sex sells, so it's okay to imply it as long as it's selling a product and no other time.
Say stupid things, people treat you like you're stupid, stupidly cry about how freedom of speech should prevent people from treating you like the idiot you are.
Wowow! That was so long ago! Literally dozens of weeks ago! I’m sure this full-blown narcissist has seen the error of his ways and changed his mind. Surely.
Yes. Elon should approach his advertisers on bended knee -- after changing Twitter back to Twitter, and creating a proper moderation system that filters out neonazis and Russian AI Trump-bots.
Oh, George Washington rode the waves Abe Lincoln wore his hat with praise Thomas Jefferson, the sandy king, and Teddy Roosevelt, the beach-hiking thing Barrack Obama, surfing gracefully Historical presidents at the sea!
-- @hisvault.eth
Musk sheepishly suggested that he didn't mean "advertisers as a whole."
"Advertisers have a right to appear next to content that they find compatible with their brands," he told ad giant WPP CEO Mark Read during an interview on Wednesday. "What is not cool is insisting that there can be no content that they disagree with on the platform."
How is that “not cool?” I don’t understand how he can possibly object to a company spending their advertising dollars wherever they damn well choose to. He repeatedly makes it clear that he feels entitled to their budgets. There is zero basis for that. I truly cannot fathom how he can be so dense about this.
He can object because he's decided that's what is right. Literally nothing else matters.
The piece of shit that used to own my company is like this. His decision is correct and gospel, and if you don't agree or if it's provably false you are wrong. And it's your fault you are wrong, because he has decided it to be correct.
Right but the bubble of rightness you speak of is usually only assumed to include the company staff. Really powerful CEOs have their board inside the bubble too, or even public investors. But Elon thinks the customers work for him too. That’s really beyond the pale.
"I do shoot myself in the foot from time to time, but at least you know it is genuine, not from the PR department," he admitted.
He's been brainwashed by his fans if he thinks that somehow makes it better.
Like, authenticy is good for good things, but it makes shitty things even shittier. It's not a value that's always good in every context. And the worst thing he could be doing is doubling down on his opinions and policy.
If he left the company is the only way this would help, he wouldn't even be a fall guy because most of this is entirely his fault
Reminds me of the people who say things like "I say it like it is, and most people don't like it"...not knowing that the reason they don't have many friends is because they don't have a filter and don't think they need one, lol
But this looks like Elon Musk admitting that he's genuinely an idiot, lol
That's pretty much how he kept the public image of "eccentric genius" for so many years. I once read an article (can't remember where, don't care enough to search) that said that SpaceX had/has a team whose entire purpose was to babysit Musk when he had a temper tantrum. The team formed organically, like a cyst around a foreign object, and minimized damage to PR.
When Twitter was infested, it didn't have this immunity and now the world (or those of us who care) knows how much of a shithead he is.
I'm still trying to figure how anyone (including Musk) ever thought he was a genius? Like ok so he has a lot of money that he throws at interesting problems, and those problems attract actual geniuses to solve, but what has Musk himself ever done except be an employer? It reminds me of all the talk about how Edison was supposed to be a genius, when the reality was that he ran a sweatshop to steal other people's hard work.
No one who knew him probably ever did. This is par for the course with billionaires. People see a walking paycheck, they want their ear and their investments. So they flock to him to get their dream projects done, knowing fully that he will steal and claim any success while throwing them under the bus for any setback. Everyone thinks they can control the dragon. But when he is controlling the actual operations usually shit just goes in flames. That's everything he is ever been.
but which would you say came first: The Dragon or elon being perceived by others as The Dragon?
i’m sure, as with any big personality, this relationship evolves concurrently and interdependently. I just wish more had seen through him sooner. it was not difficult to predict that he would ultimately undermine himself faster than he would naturally fall out. we will keep seeing more of his type unless we can get a bit faster on the uptake.
It's been reported he had babysitters since PayPal days. They knew what a shitty manager he was all along. But he had money and was friends with people with even more money.
This happens to anyone rich and/or famous. People flock to them to attempt to ply them with flattery or leach money in some way. Consider how many people say that Trump is a genius.
Idk, I'd prefer if CEOs were more transparent and why mistakes happened instead of the generic PR nonsense of: "We messed up, and we're sorry. We're taking time to review what happened to make sure it never happens again." That kind of statement only matters if there's some way for the public to know what happened and verify that it actually won't happen again.
That's not what we're getting from Elon, so screw him, but I just figured I'd point out that this particular broken clock could say something close to what we probably all want.
Trouble is, their main job is to game public perception
A transparent, honest CEO would win a lot of people over (although they'd also probably be less likely to ignore the horrible decisions that require apologies)
Just remember - generic PR apologies are an attempt at mimickingv leaders actually taking responsibility for a mistake. The transparency will just become as soulless and corporate as the apologies are now
We need to fix the system to remove the incentive to put heartless demons in positions of power
“I hope they stop. Don’t advertise, If somebody is going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is." - Elon Musk, November 27th 2023
Nope, he can't manage that. Because he's an attention-whoring malignant narcissist.
I can't wait for the bubble of mystique to pop on this arsehole, if only so we don't have to ever hear from or about him again. Sadly, there are still plenty of rubes in his cult of personality and greedy investors willing to ride his coattails. So I'm not holding my breath.
I was trying to find active users since he took over. But the only numbers I can find are numbers provided by Musk, who is a well known liar.
I know Lemmy and Mastodon are niche communities, and that people put up with a lot of garbage from Big Tech, but I have to believe that a lot of users have left Twitter, or least that usage is down. I also assume bots are way up, because Musk wants his numbers to be up regardless of the source (save for people with an opposing opinion).
Hopefully Musk's shitty little empire crumbles...soon.
I also left it for the most part (only there to squat my user handle - I have some enemies), and I'm better without it. Even before the Muskrat overtake, its algorithm often bought the worst out of me, and I had to realize that wasn't me. After that, it became worse than the forums from the late 2000's that were overtaken by a few moderators to turn them into "free speech zone", except they liked to harass people for having "dumb opinions", one of which was not liking racism, and those admins also liked to claim PoC robbing whites are a "race motivated crime".
I like the smaller communities of the Fediverse, I even started to remember usernames and avatars here on lemmy (and before that, kbin) without having a follow function I know of. When I was on Reddit, I felt massively alienated, didn't know anyone there really, and the place got more and more dominated by a select few toxic individuals.
What's absolutely insane to me, is that other CEOs think that's fair and fine and that Elon is very smart and not a con artist? No wonder Elizabeth Holmes got so far. It's just so obvious he's not above board
To me it's mental that stock holders would approve such package when company itself for its entire existence had income that is smaller than his "bonus". Some people are downright stupid.
Theyre wealthy not smart. The smart wealthy ones fade into obscurity, like Tom or that one distant uncle who lives in a cabin in the woods and juat kinda vibes.
"I do shoot myself in the foot from time to time, but at least you know it is genuine, not from the PR department”
Yeah we know. He’s genuinely a white supremacist, misogynist, queerphobe piece of shit. A PR department doesn’t give a fuck about any of that, but at least they’d be savvy enough to pretend like they give a damn in order to make money.
-The "sexist joke" by saying "TITS" is just a dumb joke, not "misogynistic".
-The "Pronouns suck" comment, is weird and just vague, and not necessarily queerphobic. Maybe he just doesn't like changing the standard language much. It doesn't necessarily say he will purposely use the wrong pronoun on people, in practice. Too vague to work with.
-Calling Warren "Karren Warren" and saying "You remind me of when I was a kid and my friend’s angry Mom would just randomly yell at everyone for no reason". I guess maybe this can be considered misogynistic, but I'd by far attribute this to just "being rude", because he just insults her for her actions. Just because this insult is a comparison to another woman that acted hysterically, does not make it misogynistic. Yes, the "Karen" is generally a sex-specific insult, but again, this can also be taken as just a personal attack, which in this case it is.
Yeah sure there could be more examples, but going from the link you posted, there is barely anything to call him misogynistic, let alone queerphobic. I don't care who he is, I'd have said this to anyone who said these things.
He's literally using the wrong pronouns and name for his transgender daughter. He's literally said he agrees with JK Rowling's transphobic comments.
You know how after a certain time has passed it's no longer a spoiler to talk about how Vader is Luke's father? Well, there's certain stuff that's so obvious and widely known that people will stop believing that you don't know about it and will assume you're trolling.The fact that you keep insisting that you haven't seen evidence of him being queerphobe is on you at this point, imo.
The fact that you keep insisting that you haven’t seen evidence of him being queerphobe is on you at this point
I wholeheartedly agree, it's just that I haven't seen it, and that doesn't mean he is NOT queerphobic. I was simply asking questions. If you don't like that, what can I do about that?
Have you also not seen enough to learn why the “just asking questions” justification isn’t super effective around here?
It’s used as thinly veiled cover for spreading malicious bullshit while pretending the speaker isn’t lying to their audience. I’m not accusing you of this, in fact I’m explaining it hoping that you’re genuine.
yes I had a feeling actually. But jesus fuck that is depressing, how else should one phrase it then? I try hard to think people are not dumber than decades ago, but it's seriously hard to keep on believing that sometimes. Now I have to jump through hoops just in order to be perceived as neutral? I'm out.
Yeah it’s depressing and stupid, but for what it’s worth, it is much less about you and much more about all the bad faith fucknuggets out there who have spent decades learning to mimic good faith curious people.
I utterly detest the use of "wholeheartedly agree" when people have caveats. It truly goes against the concept of wholeheartedness. It is sufficient to indicate that you agree completely and then be silent. That you don't suggests your caveat has more value and meaning to you than the point you are 'wholeheartedly' agreeing with.
You are either being willfully obtuse or are actively a troll. Either way, we've all already used up more metabolism on you than is worthwhile. If you cannot bother to be informed about something as easy to know as this, and yet spout off multiple replies to defend your position, then you're not here in good faith.
I said I "wholeheartedly agree" with "it being on me" that I haven't seen something. Obviously. How can it not? Is it on you? No. You're being so incredibly stupid and prejudiced that it's hard to fathom. Now fuck off, you're right about wasting metabolism
I think it was the phrasing. The comment you responded to didn't say that Musk had said either of the things you asked about. If you've been paying attention to the news about the complaints coming out of his companies its very clear that he is those things. It seems that your question is intended to refute the contents of the comment by being pedantic about whether Musk had actually said those things.
right, all fair. But nowadays everybody is spewing up nonsense, so it's only natural to stop and ask why/how. Sure, I could search the web, but I'm talking about the principle. If spewing shit is okay, then questioning it should also be okay, obviously.
It just sounded a little bit like you were jumping to his defense. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and explained it but I think that's what happened. There are a LOT of pedants on Lemmy who will argue about whether someone said a specific word of phrase rather than addressing the underlying and obvious truth that someone is a wretched asshole (like Elon Musk.))
Yes, you're getting downvoted for asking a stupid question. Do you think people announce "I am a queerphobe and a misogynst"? Read between the fucking lines!
I am not saying that he is not queerphobic or misogynistic. I just said that I haven't seen it, and asked if anyone would be so kind of pointing it to me. Chill out dude lol
It's actually worse than you being incapable of reading between the lines. When presented with evidence, you denied it rather than thanking the person who provided it. So you were asking stupid questions to set up a bad faith argument. Congratulations on being an Elon dick sucker and douchbag.
and rather than you specifically talking about an example that I misinterpreted, you say I "deny evidence". Why won't you mention something specific that I missed or misinterpreted (in article).
But again, back to what you said about me "asking a stupid question" how in the actual fuck does this work? Who is setting up "bad faith" ? The one asking a question? Omfg
He made "cis" a slur on Twitter because it upsets him that his ex who left him is trans, and he hates trans people. He's had plenty of tweets and posts complaining about pronouns, trans people in general, and so on.
I can't speak to the misogyny (but I'm sure it's there), but instead if arguing with people about you "jUsT aSkInG a QuEsTiOn" you could just Google "Elon Musk queerphobic tweets" and Google will supply plenty.
I did, and the first two results were articles from former Twitter/X employees claiming there were homophobic and anti-semitic attacks on the platform after Musk took over. So yeah... Not sure what you want anyone here to do for you that you can't do yourself via a Google search, you clearly know how to type, and the phrase I suggested is less characters than all your comments combined.
Edit: And then after you did some googling and found the answers, you could edit your comment to say, "Wow, hey guys, I was wrong, he really is misogynistic queerphobic piece of shit," and be done with it, instead of doubling down like a troll.
im not really interested in claims by others about him. If he's so misogynistic, I'm sure he made these remarks himself, too. (And FYI, I specifically asked for remarks he made himself, not claims about him.) I was just asking because I haven't seen any, which is quite normal when it's about other topics. But I guess when it comes to these ones, it's considered being a troll. Think whatever you think but that doesn't hold water. Especially nowadays everyone is spewing a lot of bs, so it's only natural to be skeptic then as well.
I'm not really interested in your bullshit anymore. There are tweets, from him. There are articles about him quoting tweets he's used highlighting everything everyone here us telling you. Fucking happy? Can you fucking comprehend now? They're his words, from his official verified X account.
"FYI I specifically asked for" GO FUCK YOURSELF. I specifically told you to fucking use your fucking brain and Google all of this, but you refuse, because you're a fucking troll just like Musk, whose cock you have so far down your throat it's tickling your taint.
I haven't yet looked at them all but some of these are so retarded that I question your sincerity or sanity. E.g. How is saying "definitely attacked misleading journalism like yours though" considered sexist? This is beyond retarded.
THERE IT IS EVERYONE!!! Troll can't be happy unless they're moving the goal posts, now they need thorough context for each and every word Musk has ever said!!
To answer your question, despite you not asking it in good faith and then following it up with two uses of the R-slur: A female journalist raised legitimate criticism of Musk, and he completely disregarded everything she had to say. That's childish, and misogynist, since I'm sure if Daddy Trump or Papa Putin weighed criticism on him, he wouldn't have dismissed it.
So I answered your fucking question and gave you "sPeCiFicAlLy" what you asked for, so you're fucking welcome, troll, not that you know how to say "thank you."
That's not the sexist part, you have to read more. One Tweet can't prove anything, but several Tweets are a clear pattern of behavior. Quoting the first sentence betrays your disinterest.
Someone who is not misogynistic doesn't usually offer to pay for sex with someone who isn't a sex worker. That he offered to pay for said sex with a horse makes it extra damning, but that could be my personal bias.
It's hard to feel disappointed about something you don't really care about. That is to say, the reason I feel disappointed is because I like this community and I want it to be a place for civil discourse. Conversely, I've given up on Reddit, so nothing that happens there can really disappoint me any more, I no longer care about it.
I'm not going to make a fuss about something that doesn't impact me, but I will make a fuss about something I believe in, like Lemmy.
The article is just a collection of hyperlinks. Useless article and I will not look through all of them, and I couldn't even know they were talking about something from the article anyway
So you were downvoted for not bothering to read or even skim the article to do a minimum amount of looking on your own to see what they were talking about.
Exactly. Having sources is the minimal starting point to make an opinion. That's not because this community is supposed safe that I could trust any user information
