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Cornpop ,

Who even wants this? What good is it? I see no use case.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Microsoft is talking control over its ecosystem. Will it police your os for piracy? Look at what you do so it can sell you products? The use case is infinite once they have the data

onion ,

People keep years worth of browser history, until finding something in there becomes harder than searching the web. I see no use for that either, but everyone I've asked insisted they need it. They couldn't really spell out why either

Syrc ,

For me it’s nostalgia and being a sucker for statistics, mostly.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Same. I think it's neat. But not "Yeah I trust you Microsoft" neat.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

There's a lot of negatives such that I certainly would never want it, but the ability to search everything I've ever looked at would be handy.

gnuplusmatt ,

the idea is good, but the reality is it gives anyone the ability to search everything you've ever looked at. If the data exists it can be exploited. for ill or profit

meliaesc ,

I really don't need a screenshot of my bank login or account numbers in the cloud 🤷🏽‍♀️ it's a cool concept in theory, I'll give it that, but reality is harsh.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

To clarify, it's not stored in the cloud in this iteration... although storing it even locally is a risk.

fruitycoder ,

I love the idea of exo brain/second brain where AI helps me keep track of all of my stuff and recall stuff.

But I want to extend myswlf not assimilate to the Microsoft Borg collective lol

JackbyDev ,

Smart phones pretty much already fulfill this role.

fruitycoder ,

Close for sure. Connectivity and being persistent storage of info/experience tho7gh notes and pictures, but the retrieval is lack luster and there doesn't tend to do a lot of knowledge creation on that info on its own.

jaschen ,

I would 100% use this. I have ADHD and having the ability to recall something I did days or even weeks ago and query things I did in the past is amazing.

"Hey, I messed up my home assistant automation and can't remember what my old automation was that was working. Can you find it?"

"I had a meeting a month ago with my boss Collen and he showed me a deck about this or that data point. Bring that power point deck up".

The use cases are endless. This is literally a game changer.

glitchdx ,

yes, but it should be opt-in not opt-out. It should not exist in my os unless I install it myself.

I could apply this line to so many things microsoft put into windows since xp.

fatalError ,

Do you think that someone who needs this feature would remember to turn it on? /s

jaschen ,

There is an opt out option. You even get 50gb of space back when you do. You can even set which apps can or can't be part of the recall program. You can delete all the data like how you would delete browser history.

I think the main thing is that you're in control of the data.

nutsack ,

i can't wait to show it my nuts

jaschen ,

"Sorry, Microsoft cannot recall your nuts. We haven't developed the technology to zoom in to that level of details."

Sorry for that. It was just too easy to pass up.

nutsack ,

thank you Steven

Cuntessera ,
@Cuntessera@sh.itjust.works avatar

I also have ADHD and would benefit from it just like you said, however, I wouldn’t trust Microsoft with anything related to privacy & security based on their track record. This is going to be the last piece in a huge puzzle that makes me switch to macOS confidently.

jaschen ,

Very fair.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

If it was local only, and more security focused I would 100%.

My ADHD. brain needs an AI assistant.

FuryMaker ,

Audit trail in a corporate environment maybe. Assuming non-Microsoft admins have access to that data, it could be a benefit.

Can't imagine the risk it introduces though.

And resource usage overhead.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Great for mining data to use in the next iteration of ChatGPT

bamfic ,

investors. c.f. enshittification

Cognitive_Dissident ,

Oh, didn't you get the memo? All your data are belong to Microsoft </sarcasm>

harmsy ,
@harmsy@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/61ee6624-eea9-4429-987c-7a4e41855039.jpeg

Cognitive_Dissident ,

Exactly.

librejoe ,

Microsoft claims it's offline, but how sure can we be? I smell what the rock is cooking.

tron ,
@tron@midwest.social avatar

Even if it was 100% offline. For how long? Microsoft can change that with a patch at any time. Suddenly all your personal files are being fed into GPT with no consent.

librejoe ,

No more windows for me. I've been back and forth with windows 11 and Linux but been on Linux for awhile. Last windows I used full time was 7

wagesj45 ,
@wagesj45@kbin.run avatar

Not even completely removing Windows from your life will help. Anyone you interact with through email or instant message or social media will have screen-scraped copies of the entire interaction. And that would be bad enough if only a single person gets hacked and has their Recall data hijacked. There will be huge databases available that people will be able to freely cross reference. They'll still be able to build a quite extensive profile on you just through all of your interactions that get scraped from others.

librejoe ,

Yes I'm aware. I've been down that path, and sadly there's no escape no matter what tor this or VPN that you use with a privacy centric app. We can however minimize what is being data mined.

graymess ,

Doesn't matter. If your PC is ever compromised, that feature is a one stop shop for stealing everything you have ever done on your computer.

librejoe ,

Bye bye windows

jaschen ,

It's using a snapdragon elite specific chip that can handle the AI offline.

While we don't yet know if it can be a hackers wet dream, we do know that there are use cases for it

librejoe ,

Yes I can agree there can be positive uses for AI, but I don't really see any transparency from current AI companies to trust them.

jaschen ,

Unfortunately, that ship has already sailed. AI will be a disruptor. You not using it won't change anything. Only laws and legislative action will fix things.

nutsack ,

it's a penis in the door 🚪

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemmy.world avatar

I hate this feature but if that UI is real it's beautiful

LiveLM ,

It's not, it just a marketing image.
Say what you will about Microsoft and Win11 but their 3D animated trailers and marketing images look amazing

filcuk ,

There's a gif at the bottom of the article. Looks similar to any video scrubbing interface.

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemmy.world avatar

Idk but Microsoft does their modern UIs really well. just don't open the properties menu or anything there's nothing there I promise

shotgun_crab ,

If they just had a consistet UI style It'd be much better

MockingMoniker ,

Set furry porn as your desktop.

nutsack ,

no don't do this

MockingMoniker ,

That will punish those who violate your privacy.

asexualchangeling ,

Personally i'm all for it, no one I know likes it and even the most aggressive linux hater I know has switched to saying that they'll probably try it after win 10 eol

Best advertising campain I've ever seen, just not for the product they are trying to advertise

JackbyDev ,

lol, the Linux adoption accelerationism.

Phegan ,

I use Linux for work and windows for home. I will be swapping to Linux full time when win10 eol

zerofk ,

Don’t worry, DRM-ed content isn’t recorded, so big companies’ IP is protected.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Always keep Netflix open and playing to stay safe?

Rinox ,

I think only the player is blocked, and would be shown in the screenshots as a black rectangle

Wispy2891 ,

So it’s not a new feature. Since windows 95 print screen can’t screenshot videos for technical issues. Instead of fixing the bug they’re promoting it to feature

Rinox ,

It's not a bug, it's 110% intentional and not only for the windows default screenshot utility. The whole pipeline is built in such a way to prevent you from taking screenshots or capturing video of a DRM protected player.

Even in Linux, afaik, you can't simply take screenshots or record a Netflix movie playing in the browser. Yes there are ways, but not with the default applications (you need to break the encryption)

Wispy2891 ,

I remember that in the windows 9x age I tried taking screenshots of the matrix avi and all I got was a black rectangle. I assumed that it was how the graphics worked as when pasted in paint it would act like a “hole” where if you moved the window it stayed in the place of the video player. Like if it’s not in the graphic buffer because it’s an accelerated directx video or something like that. Not an expert and also more than 20 years passed and my memory is wonky

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

That's precisely how the old ATI TV tuner cards worked. They masked part of your display and any pixels that were the mask color became the video player, because the decoding and injection into your video signal was happening in hardware on the tuner card, not on your regular graphics card.

This allowed you to do dumb stunts like scribble hot magenta areas anywhere on your screen with MS Paint and the scribbled areas would magically become video from the TV tuner.

Xantar ,

Make Mario my desktop background and stay protected forever by the holy power of Nintendo's lawyers.

perviouslyiner , (edited )

Can you add a banknote or EURion symbol somewhere to dissuade image-processing software?

librejoe ,

Kirbo will step in with Luigi with a cross.

ndondo ,

If the data stays on a local device why is drm protection even necessary 🤔

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Because it is locally accessible and could be distributed elsewhere. I guess? I'm not sure what kind of copyrights can be broken by a screenshot in the first place.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Kinda funny, not too long ago it was a fun mental exercise if you were paying attention to the tech industry to try to think of the ways in which Google or MS could fall.

Now, AFAICT, neither are falling any time soon, but there certainly seems to be a shift in how they're perceived and how their brand sits in the market (where even so I'm still probably in a bubble on this).

But I'm not sure how predictable it would have been that both would look silly stumbling for AI dominance.

And, yea, I'm chalking recall up to the AI race as it seems like a grab for training data to me, and IIRC there were some clues around that this could be true.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

Microsoft has become a weird one. On the side of things like GitHub and VSCode, they’ve done really well and have fostered amazing tools. I have friends that work on the developer side of things there and love it. But then you look at Windows and it’s a damn abomination. It’s easily one of the most anti-consumer pieces of software in existence.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

I just installed Nobara today so I could finally rid myself of Windows hell and it’s been amazing.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Is that a linux distro?

Quik ,

It is, a gaming focused Fedora distro to be exact.

Dudewitbow ,

Nobara is a Fedora distro(essentially backed by IBM) by Glorious Eggroll (developer who made Proton GE) designed to be more gaming user oriented, as many of its preincluded configs and applications were tailored to gamers.

TxzK ,
@TxzK@lemmy.zip avatar

Calling Fedora IBM backed feels so wrong but technically true I guess.

sasquash ,

I am currently using Fedora mostly for gaming. I wonder what's different to Nobara?

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

From their site:

Fedora with user-friendly fixes added.

It seems the fixes are mostly related to better onboarding and avoiding the terminal for basic stuff, like adding yum repos. If you're already familiar with Linux it shouldn't offer you much beyond the nice-to-have kernel patches and better Nvidia compatibility.

sasquash ,

Thx. Nvidia compatibility was the only problem I had so far. But I could solve it myself. Will check Nobara maybe the next time I get issues.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

It's also preinstalled with Steam and Lutris, and includes a pile of graphical tweaks for running games and video editing suites like daVinci Resolve, etc.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Lol I read that as Norton at first!

taiyang ,

I just installed Norton Anti-Virus Suite and it's been amazing. I haven't been able to use my computer since!

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

No chance the crypto-mining trojan can make any money for it's creator, Norton uses up all available processing power doing whatever the fuck it is that it does.

librejoe ,

Norton OS. It's just full of trials to their software.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

Oh god why lmao. NortonOS™️

sailingbythelee ,

I want to do the same, but I'm on the fence between Nobara and Bazzite.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

Bazzite looks like it’s way more customizable and expanded. I might actually dual boot it out of curiosity.

thetreesaysbark ,

Jesus Christ. All these requirements for something most people didn't ask for:

System requirements for Recall

Your PC needs the following minimum system requirements for Recall:

A Copilot+ PC

16 GB RAM

8 logical processors

256 GB storage capacity

    To enable Recall, you’ll need at least 50 GB of storage space free

    Saving screenshots automatically pauses once the device has less than 25 GB of storage space
Spider2013 ,

I’ll just stick with my 4-core cpu then…
Edit: is logical both core and threads?

Pogogunner ,

Yes. A CPU has both physical cores and logical threads. These are both considered logical CPUs.

For example, if you ran cat /proc/cpuinfo on Linux you would see something like this (First processor is processor 0)

processor : 23

model name : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor

So your 4 core CPU likely has hyperthreading and would meet the requirements for Microsoft recall

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

At least hopefully companies will stop selling laptops with 8Gb of soldered ram.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

Sounds like the way around this is to make swap space take up the drive up to 24 GB. Then trim the swap space as you need it.

I know it says "to enable" but let's be real here. It's going to be a placebo switch.

bionicjoey , (edited )

I'm pretty sure Windows doesn't have fixed-size swap. It uses pagefiles.

Edit: apparently pagefiles can be given a static size as well.

iamjackflack ,

This can be specified manually to be static

bionicjoey ,

Oh, neat! I had no idea. Still, the term "swap" would be incorrect.

ChanSecodina ,

A “swap” file is for holding pages of memory that have been swapped from RAM to disk.

lightnsfw ,

Every update :

"Let's get Recall set up for you!!!!" <microscopic cancel button>

CosmicTurtle0 ,

If it's anything like the "sign into your Microsoft account to continue" bullshit, there will be no cancel button. You'll need to cast an archaic spell where you summon a spirit from the Netherworld, who then just gives you a 60 minute lecture on enshitification and why you should install Arch.

lemmytellyousomething ,

Microscopic "Maybe later" button in the USA...

Normal sized "No" button in Europe...

Voroxpete ,

Europe keeps on proving that we can in fact regulate these companies, and it's fucking pathetic how the US and Canada don't.

librejoe ,

Wait for them to find a way that everyone will run out and buy 1k+ laptops now. Disregarding privacy, most people only need Chromebooks nowadays.

Valmond ,

That's a quite normal PC right? Not that I want it though lol good heavens.

When I think about it my daily only have 4 cores, oh no cant use it (I'm on Linux too, so sad ).

Or am I missing something with "copilot pc", does it have to have som special hardware? Asking out of morbid curiosity.

Voroxpete ,

Yeah, it has to have certain specific types of CPU. They're making this a requirement for all Windows 11 machines if you want to keep receiving security updates. It's going to create a mountain of e-waste.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

They're not amazing specs. All but the most budget of PCs sold in 2024 would have those specs.

It's notable as a required minimum though. There's an implication (not necessarily true) that at some times this feature may require a significant portion of those resources.

Like if your browser was burning away on 8 cores using 16g of RAM you'd notice.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

How does this make Microsoft money? What's their path to selling the result of this feature?

elxeno ,

Probably targeted ads, since they claim the data doesn't leave the device, they get the AI to figure out what type of ads to show.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

This. The answer is always ads.

elxeno ,

And they get it for free, using your electricity and hardware for the AI and also avoids some liability that comes with your personal data/EU compliance.

exanime ,

You need to drop big money for the new PCs that can run this crap... Plus you can bet they'll mine your data and sell you off like a chubby prostitute from the 1800s

librejoe ,

This, they are getting kickbacks from laptop OEMs because people will now need to buy expensive computers again. They were stagnating there for a while finding a way to charge people alot who only need a PC for basic tasks, and now they will be buying a laptop basically the same price as a entry/mid gaming laptop. Now you cannot use price to say "oh windows laptops are cheaper than macs". That's out the door. As I said above though, disregarding privacy, Chromebooks are what most people only need for their day to day tasks, and arm based ones last super long on a single charge.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Source: DUH!!!!

Xantar ,

Another study: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/b60e96a8-e225-40bd-8c74-f869e04b4e13.jpeg

then_three_more ,

Peer review https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/007/242/no_shit_sherlock.jpg

Grass ,

the only irl person I know says it like: "no, shit-sherlock" and that's just how I read it in my head now

solsangraal ,

no one does enshittification quite like the masters of it at ms

Valmond ,

Embrace, Extend, Enshittify I guess it is nowadays.

Grass ,

don't forget de-extend

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

How many screenshots of security "disasters" does a person really need?

muntedcrocodile ,

Unfortunatly had to upgrade to windows11 thank god for tiny11, winutil, MAS, and virtualbox.

librejoe ,

If you don't need winapps/battery life start looking into Linux

muntedcrocodile ,

Ohh i only run windows in a vm. Am loving the linux propaganda this might finally be the year of the linux desktop.

librejoe ,

Oh lol good. The only issue I have with Linux is laptops and battery life. It's a YMMV situation as some have same or better battery life, while some it's alot worse than windows even with tools like tlp and stuff.

TheGrandNagus ,

And for battery life, see if you can find any info on what others have got with your machine. I've got anything from a fair bit better, to the same, to an absolute catastrophe.

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